Go Back   CDN Business Directory > Main Category > Taxes

 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #3  
Old 02-08-2008, 05:45 PM
rlsusenet@NOSPAMPUHLEEZschnapp.org
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Business vs Hobby

ed wrote:
- quote -

> On Feb 7, 5:52 pm, Alan <sfcnm-...[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
> > rlsuse...[at]NOSPAMPUHLEEZschnapp.org wrote:
> > > Can someone point me at the elements that distinguish a business
> > > (Schedule C) from a hobby (1040 line 21 "other income")?
> > > Here's the thing: I do a lot of contesting (participate in local
> > > radio/TV station promo programs, sweepstakes, etc.). I have some small
> > > expenses, primarily the costs of driving to the stations to pick up
> > > prizes. I could also make a case that a small proportion of my internet
> > > connection costs are attributable to this enterprise.
> > > I've made money at this enterprise for the last 3+ years, and would have
> > > still made money even if I had been able to deduct my expenses.
> > > I'm considering declaring this to be a Schedule C business so that my
> > > expenses are not unreasonably limited by the 2% AGI floor.
> > > Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

> > Here's what the IRS says:http://www.irs.gov/publications/p535/ch01.html#d0e885
> > > Don't miss the line that says: No one factor alone is decisive.
> > > --

> > << ------------------------------------------------------- > > > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > > > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > > > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > > > << > > > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > > > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > > > << are atwww.asktax.org. > > > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > > > << ------------------------------------------------------- > > - Hide quoted text -
> > > - Show quoted text -

> You should have been doing this on a Schedule C since incedption.
> Sounds like it was your choice to put it on line 21. The "hobby" thing
> is a forced issue with the IRS, not something you should try to
> satisfy. If they can't prove you lost money in 3 of the past 5 years
> they can't force you into hobby status. You could lose money forever
> and not be a hobby if you are in business to profit, hopefully.
> The flip side is that on line 21 you didn't have to pay SE taxes of
> over 15%. Are you sure you don't want to be a hobby??


Another excellent point. If my regular consulting biz gets me above the
FICA ceiling, then the answer is "yes". Otherwise, you're right: the
deductible expenses will be wiped out by SE tax.

========================================= MODERATOR'S COMMENT:
When responding to a post, please delete all parts of the prior post that
are not necessary either for context or are the part to which you
specifically respond. Place your comments directly after the portion to
which you respond.

Thanks for your assistance.

--
<< ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- >
  #2  
Old 02-08-2008, 04:41 AM
ed
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Business vs Hobby

On Feb 7, 5:52*pm, Alan <sfcnm-...[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
- quote -

> rlsuse...[at]NOSPAMPUHLEEZschnapp.org wrote:
> > Can someone point me at the elements that distinguish a business
> > (Schedule C) from a hobby (1040 line 21 "other income")?
> > Here's the thing: *I do a lot of contesting (participate in local
> > radio/TV station promo programs, sweepstakes, etc.). *I have some small
> > expenses, primarily the costs of driving to the stations to pick up
> > prizes. *I could also make a case that a small proportion of my internet
> > connection costs are attributable to this enterprise.
> > I've made money at this enterprise for the last 3+ years, and would have
> > still made money even if I had been able to deduct my expenses.
> > I'm considering declaring this to be a Schedule C business so that my
> > expenses are not unreasonably limited by the 2% AGI floor.
> > Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

> Here's what the IRS says:http://www.irs.gov/publications/p535/ch01.html#d0e885
> Don't miss the line that says: No one factor alone is decisive.
> --
> << ------------------------------------------------------- > > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, * > > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties *> > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. * * * * * * * * *> > << * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > > << * The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts * > > << *to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy *> > << * * * * * * * * *are atwww.asktax.org. * * * * * * * * > > << * * * * Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. * * * * > > << ------------------------------------------------------- > > - Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text -


You should have been doing this on a Schedule C since incedption.
Sounds like it was your choice to put it on line 21. The "hobby" thing
is a forced issue with the IRS, not something you should try to
satisfy. If they can't prove you lost money in 3 of the past 5 years
they can't force you into hobby status. You could lose money forever
and not be a hobby if you are in business to profit, hopefully.

The flip side is that on line 21 you didn't have to pay SE taxes of
over 15%. Are you sure you don't want to be a hobby??

ed

--
<< ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- >
  #1  
Old 02-08-2008, 04:39 AM
rlsusenet@NOSPAMPUHLEEZschnapp.org
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Business vs Hobby

Alan wrote:
- quote -

> rlsusenet[at]NOSPAMPUHLEEZschnapp.org wrote:
> > Can someone point me at the elements that distinguish a business
> > (Schedule C) from a hobby (1040 line 21 "other income")?
> > > Here's the thing: I do a lot of contesting (participate in local

> > radio/TV station promo programs, sweepstakes, etc.). I have some
> > small expenses, primarily the costs of driving to the stations to pick
> > up prizes. I could also make a case that a small proportion of my
> > internet connection costs are attributable to this enterprise.
> > > I've made money at this enterprise for the last 3+ years, and would

> > have still made money even if I had been able to deduct my expenses.
> > > I'm considering declaring this to be a Schedule C business so that my

> > expenses are not unreasonably limited by the 2% AGI floor.
> > > Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

> > Here's what the IRS says:

> http://www.irs.gov/publications/p535/ch01.html#d0e885
> Don't miss the line that says: No one factor alone is decisive.


Yup, 'cause otherwise, "You depend on the income for your livelihood"
would be a killer, and that would be true for an awful lot of people
with side businesses, such as Amway (does Amway still exist?).

Interesting. Thanks very much for the pointer!

--
<< ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- >
 
Old 02-07-2008, 10:52 PM
Alan
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Business vs Hobby

rlsusenet[at]NOSPAMPUHLEEZschnapp.org wrote:
- quote -

> Can someone point me at the elements that distinguish a business
> (Schedule C) from a hobby (1040 line 21 "other income")?
> Here's the thing: I do a lot of contesting (participate in local
> radio/TV station promo programs, sweepstakes, etc.). I have some small
> expenses, primarily the costs of driving to the stations to pick up
> prizes. I could also make a case that a small proportion of my internet
> connection costs are attributable to this enterprise.
> I've made money at this enterprise for the last 3+ years, and would have
> still made money even if I had been able to deduct my expenses.
> I'm considering declaring this to be a Schedule C business so that my
> expenses are not unreasonably limited by the 2% AGI floor.
> Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

Here's what the IRS says:
http://www.irs.gov/publications/p535/ch01.html#d0e885

Don't miss the line that says: No one factor alone is decisive.

--
<< ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- >
  #-1  
Old 02-07-2008, 09:34 PM
rlsusenet@NOSPAMPUHLEEZschnapp.org
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Business vs Hobby

Can someone point me at the elements that distinguish a business
(Schedule C) from a hobby (1040 line 21 "other income")?

Here's the thing: I do a lot of contesting (participate in local
radio/TV station promo programs, sweepstakes, etc.). I have some small
expenses, primarily the costs of driving to the stations to pick up
prizes. I could also make a case that a small proportion of my internet
connection costs are attributable to this enterprise.

I've made money at this enterprise for the last 3+ years, and would have
still made money even if I had been able to deduct my expenses.

I'm considering declaring this to be a Schedule C business so that my
expenses are not unreasonably limited by the 2% AGI floor.

Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

--
<< ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- >
 

Tags
business, hobby
Similar Threads
Thread Forum Replies Last Post
Schedule C business or Hobby ?
Salto Jorge: What is the difference between a business and a hobby ? I believe that I am working on a business to eventually build off road vehicles. This...
Taxes 2 04-11-2005 09:08 PM
job vs hobby
Avrum Lapin: Client is employed part time as a writer. In 2001 she had writing income and expenses and filed a scheduke C showing net income. In 2002 she had...
Taxes 4 02-13-2005 11:31 PM
Is it a business or a hobby?
Richard Barndt: My wife is involved with a company called "Homemaker's Idea." Basically it is similar to Tupperware where she acts as an agent of the company and...
Taxes 8 01-30-2005 11:01 PM
Business vs Hobby Losses
DH: In 2001 an individual started a for profit farming activity. He kept his regular job. In 2001 - $22,000 was invested in depreciable assets...
Taxes 1 04-19-2004 07:27 PM
Hobby or self-employment?
Whit Matteson: An 18 year old dependent college freshman, studying to be an engineer, also happens to play the trumpet quite well. He is invited occasionally to...
Taxes 25 01-27-2004 09:53 PM



Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

All times are GMT. The time now is 02:22 PM.