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| On Jan 21, 8:39*pm, bindinki <bindi...[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > My brother and his brother-in-law started a partnership in 2006. *The
CPA who does partnership tax work.> partnership had no activity except organization costs. *The > partnership is set up where they are each 50/50 on all. * During 2007 > the Partnership received a few jobs (they do construction work) and > they also built my brother a house. *My brother and his wife received > a construction/convertible mortgage loan to finance the construction > and "hired" the partnership to be the foreman construction company of > the job. *Throughout the year the partnership paid what my brother is > referring to "wages" to him and his brother-in-law based upon their > "rates"/hours worked. *Due to their experience, my brothers wage rate > was higher than his brother-in laws. > As these are ultimately "costs" to complete the jobs, since they did > 90% of the work themselves, is this considered guaranteed payments, > i.e. deductible on the partnership tax return to reduce the net income > of the Parntership? Are these technically "1099" items to my brother > and his brother-in-law? Or what is the best manner in which these > payments should be treated. *I understand that we can record them as > distributions, however that reduces the partners basis unequally and > is ultimately not the intent of what my brother and his brother-in-law > wanted to do. > Any advice on the treatment of these "payments" would be appreciated. > Thanks! > -- > << ------------------------------------------------------- > > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, * > > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties *> > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. * * * * * * * * *> > << * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > > << * The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts * > > << *to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy *> > << * * * * * * * * *are atwww.asktax.org. * * * * * * * * > > << * * * * Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. * * * * > > << ------------------------------------------------------- > You are in over your head, swim as fast as you can to a local EA or First, you should refer to the partnership agreement - THAT document will address the specifics of how payments to partners get treated. Second, partners are not allowed to take wages - it is either a guaranteed payment, a distribution, or the pass through of net income without any correlation to cash distributed. Thirdly, a 1099 for just about any payment to a partner is almost certainly incorrect - payments to partners are almost always reported on the K-1. Fourthly, basis is frequently impacted in an unequal manner, especially when one partner takes more or less than the other. BTW, as a tax professional this is one of the biggest headaches I deal with when working with clients. Partner (or LLC Member A) puts in more or takes out more than partner B, but both partners insist that they are 50/50 so their capital accounts and basis should match - WRONG. Fifth, you talked about basis but didn't mention the capital accounts. Capital accounts will add an additional layer of work. Sixth, you also have to understand and deal with the "At-Risk Rules". This is especially true when the partnership is working with money for which the partners themselves are not responsible. This may or may not be the case depending on how the loan and the construction contract was structured. I'll repeat my first comment - you are in over your head, get professional help. Good luck, Gene E. Utterback, EA, RFC, ABA -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| On Jan 21, 8:39 pm, bindinki <bindi...[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > My brother and his brother-in-law started a partnership in 2006. The > partnership had no activity except organization costs. The > partnership is set up where they are each 50/50 on all. During 2007 > the Partnership received a few jobs (they do construction work) and > they also built my brother a house. My brother and his wife received > a construction/convertible mortgage loan to finance the construction > and "hired" the partnership to be the foreman construction company of > the job. Throughout the year the partnership paid what my brother is > referring to "wages" to him and his brother-in-law based upon their > "rates"/hours worked. Due to their experience, my brothers wage rate > was higher than his brother-in laws. > As these are ultimately "costs" to complete the jobs, since they did > 90% of the work themselves, is this considered guaranteed payments, > i.e. deductible on the partnership tax return to reduce the net income > of the Parntership? Are these technically "1099" items to my brother > and his brother-in-law? Or what is the best manner in which these > payments should be treated. I understand that we can record them as > distributions, however that reduces the partners basis unequally and > is ultimately not the intent of what my brother and his brother-in-law > wanted to do. > Any advice on the treatment of these "payments" would be appreciated. > Thanks! > -- First of all there should be a partnership agreement that deals with these type of things. Contact your attorney. A partnership that pays a partner a guaranteed payment deducts that on page 1 of form 1065. It also goes on the respective partner's K1. A partnership does NOT give a partner a 1099MISC. You should contact your CPA/tax advisor. ___________________________________ <<< Benjamin Yazersky, CPA [NJ & NY] > > -----> real address on hobokeni or hobokenx <----- "This written advice was not intended or written to be used, and it cannot be used by any taxpayer, for the purpose of avoiding penalties that may be imposed on the taxpayer." (The foregoing legend has been affixed pursuant to U.S. Treasury Regulations governing tax practice.) The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| My brother and his brother-in-law started a partnership in 2006. The partnership had no activity except organization costs. The partnership is set up where they are each 50/50 on all. During 2007 the Partnership received a few jobs (they do construction work) and they also built my brother a house. My brother and his wife received a construction/convertible mortgage loan to finance the construction and "hired" the partnership to be the foreman construction company of the job. Throughout the year the partnership paid what my brother is referring to "wages" to him and his brother-in-law based upon their "rates"/hours worked. Due to their experience, my brothers wage rate was higher than his brother-in laws. As these are ultimately "costs" to complete the jobs, since they did 90% of the work themselves, is this considered guaranteed payments, i.e. deductible on the partnership tax return to reduce the net income of the Parntership? Are these technically "1099" items to my brother and his brother-in-law? Or what is the best manner in which these payments should be treated. I understand that we can record them as distributions, however that reduces the partners basis unequally and is ultimately not the intent of what my brother and his brother-in-law wanted to do. Any advice on the treatment of these "payments" would be appreciated. Thanks! -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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