"Jonathan Kamens" <jik[at]kamens.brookline.ma.us> wrote in message
news:fn33ch$96o$1[at]jik3.kamens.brookline.ma.us...
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Actually, that's not what I'm seeing.

Submission - from system logs:
Jan 22 15:32:02 (none) sendmail[13837]: m0MNW2SJ013837: from=newsserv,
size=1472, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<fn5udh$dg9$1[at]snarked.org> , relay=n
ewsserv[at]localhost
Jan 22 15:32:09 (none) sendmail[13839]: STARTTLS=client,
relay=moderators.supernews.net., version=TLSv1/SSLv3, verify=OK,
cipher=AES256-SHA, b
its=256/256
Jan 22 15:32:14 (none) sendmail[13839]: m0MNW2SJ013837:
to=misc-taxes-moderated[at]moderators.isc.org, ctladdr=newsserv (9/13),
delay=00:00:12, x
delay=00:00:12, mailer=esmtp, pri=121472, relay=moderators.supernews.net.
[216.168.1.22], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (OK id=1JHSbA-0008wF-0X)

That clearly shows that the "newsserv" user is the sender.

Reply - from logs:
Jan 22 15:38:34 (none) sendmail[14726]: STARTTLS=server,
relay=jik3.kamens.brookline.ma.us [128.177.28.63], version=TLSv1/SSLv3,
verify=NO, ci
pher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA, bits=256/256
Jan 22 15:38:35 (none) sendmail[14726]: m0MNcSFv014726: ruleset=check_mail,
arg1=<devnull[at]asktax.org> , relay=jik3.kamens.brookline.ma.us [128.
177.28.63], reject=550 5.7.1 <devnull[at]asktax.org> ... Spammer denied access
Jan 22 15:38:35 (none) sendmail[14726]: m0MNcSFv014726:
from=<devnull[at]asktax.org> , size=1281, class=0, nrcpts=0, proto=ESMTP,
daemon=MTA, rela
y=jik3.kamens.brookline.ma.us [128.177.28.63]

Because of the invalid username part ("devnull", used by many spammers), I
don't ever actually see the reply as the mail is killed before "RCPT TO:" is
ever issued.


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My Reply-to mailbox resolves. (MX: 10 kd6lvw.ampr.org. and 20
snarked.org.) What's invalid about it?

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That's because the address in the Reply-to header is NOT the sender. The
SMTP envelope sender is "<newsserv[at]snarked.org> " - which is neither the From
nor Reply-to settings (but is the "Return-Path:" header value when the
message is delivered to your robo-moderator).

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Thank you for manually adding the mailbox to the list.

My e-mail client doesn't generate the message. The news SERVER generates
the message when it detects a moderated group posting. Mr. Kamens will be
receiving a private e-mail regarding that.

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Jonathan Kamens wrote:
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In addition, I don't know that there's been a formal decision, but it
seems to me that adding someone to the whitelist who uses a fake email
address is just asking for trouble.

Personally I use a real email address that looks fake. It seems to
accomplish the purpose.

Stu

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On Jan 20, 1:03*am, Han <nob...[at]nospam.not> wrote:
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Dick Who?

Just kidding., Dick, if you're ever in my area stop in and we'll drop
a could of straws in a bottle of single malt! This group wouldn't be
without you.

Gene E. Utterback, EA, RFC, ABA

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"D. Stussy" <spam[at]bde-arc.ampr.org> writes:
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That is not correct.

Your submissions arrive with this in the header:

Reply-To: "D. Stussy" <replies[at]newsgroups.kd6lvw.ampr.org
and that is the address to which confirmation messages are
sent.

It's your decision to put an invalid address in the header of
your messages (I personally find this practice contrary to the
spirit of the Usenet, but I gave up that particular battle
years ago, excepting occasional flare-ups like this
parenthetical comment). However, if you do this, then you
shouldn't expect the newsgroup's moderation software to be
able to send you email. It can't reach you if you lie to it
about your address.

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Well, no, it didn't, because the address from which you sent
the request to turn off the acknowledgments differs from the
address shown above. The moderation software cannot read
minds, ergo it cannot know that the person making the noack
request from address <a> is the same as the person who posts
to the newsgroup using address <b> as his return address.

I have added the address shown above to the noack list. If
there is some other address you would like to add, and you
are not able to get your email client to generate an email
message with From: line matching the address you use to post,
then you may email me privately and I will add you to the
noack list by hand.

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"Paul Thomas" <paulthomascpa[at]bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:_Pskj.55565$vt2.45941[at]bignews8.bellsouth.net...
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In general, I agree. However, there is a problem with the feedback
messages.

At my news server, messages are forwarded using the news-server-process's
user, not the user ID of the poster. This means that the news server itself
gets the confirmation message. I tried to turn them off, but that didn't
work either.

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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 01:03:46 EST, Han <nobody[at]nospam.not> wrote:

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moderators and hope that he will continue his active involvement here.


-HW "Skip" Weldon
Columbia, SC

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Katie <katiej_1958[at]yahoo.com> wrote in
news:727d1a61-4ed6-4fb1-9125-29a20ff0477b[at]e4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:

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Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

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On Jan 19, 12:13*pm, "Paul Thomas" <paulthomas...[at]bellsouth.netwrote:
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Amen! Thanks, Dick!

But Dick, please do keep making your occasional observations -- they
add a lot to the discussion. (Notice I didn't say a lot of what <G> .)

Katie in San Diego

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One other thing, Dick deserves a big round of applause, a box of Cubans, and
a couple of bottles or top shelf scotch (etc and so on) for implementing
this robo-moderation.



So says I.




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Paul A. Thomas, CPA
Athens, Georgia

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