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Old 01-21-2008, 11:12 AM
Don Priebe
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> So if an elderly couple is living with income at the poverty line but has
> a
> $2M one-time capital gain on sale of their primary residence, they can
> take the entire $2M free of Federal capital gains? Or is there a cap on
> the amount that will qualify for the 0% rate?


There is a cap, since the 0% rate applies only to capital gain income that
would ordinarily fall within the 10% or 15% tax brackets. To see how this
will work, take the "Qualified Dividends and Capital Gain Tax Worksheet" on
page 35 of the 2007 1040 instructions, and substitute 0% for the 5% shown on
line 11.

Complicating your example is the fact they can probably exclude $500,000 of
that gain, but the remaining capital gain will also make 85% of their Social
Security taxable.

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Don EA in Upstate NY

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Old 01-21-2008, 10:27 AM
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"joetaxpayer" <joetaxpayer[at]nospam.com> wrote in message
news:CP-dnUE-UsCgwgzanZ2dnUVZ_oaonZ2d[at]comcast.com...
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> DORFMONT[at]aol.com (Linda Dorfmont) wrote:
> > I have been doing a number of distressed disposition analyses for
> > taxpayers who are upside down on their mortgages. I recently met with
> > a family who has several rental properties in this situation. I
> > mentioned to them that this year and for the next 3 years the capital
> > gains rate goes to zero for people in the 10 - 15% bracket, and for
> > those above it is 5%.
> > > They spoke with their regular accountant and their attorney. Neither

> > of these people had heard of the change to the capital gains rate. I
> > heard about it several years ago when it was first passed but forgot
> > until reminded at a seminar last week.
> > > Could somebody give me the law and year it was passed that made this

> > change?

> I don't understand how the two are related. If they are upside-down on the
> mortgages, how do they still have a capital gain? Did they just keep
> pulling money out?
> The new rates do not include a 5% rate as you suggest above.
> If your tax rate is 10 or 15%, you have a 0% cap gain rate. 25% or higher
> bracket still see a 15% rate.


So if an elderly couple is living with income at the poverty line but has a
$2M one-time capital gain on sale of their primary residence, they can take
the entire $2M free of Federal capital gains? Or is there a cap on the
amount that will qualify for the 0% rate?

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Will


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> The law was JOBS AND GROWTH TAX RELIEF RECONCILIATION ACT OF 2003 (JGTRRA)
> of course. A link to the details is
> http://www.cffp.edu/portal/alias__Ra...6/Default.aspx
> Some amateurs out there will guess it was part of the Pension Protection
> Act of 2006, which contained a myriad of other changes to the tax code.
> Their accountant needs to read more.
> JOE
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Old 01-19-2008, 01:32 AM
Rich Carreiro
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"DORFMONT[at]aol.com (Linda Dorfmont)" <DORFMONT[at]aol.com> writes:

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> mentioned to them that this year and for the next 3 years the capital
> gains rate goes to zero for people in the 10 - 15% bracket


True.

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> , and for those above it is 5%.

Not true. It remains at 15%.

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> Could somebody give me the law and year it was passed that made this
> change?


The Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003 and the Tax Increase
Pevention and Reconciliation Act of 2005.

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Old 01-19-2008, 01:24 AM
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DORFMONT[at]aol.com (Linda Dorfmont) wrote:

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> I have been doing a number of distressed disposition analyses for
> taxpayers who are upside down on their mortgages. I recently met with
> a family who has several rental properties in this situation. I
> mentioned to them that this year and for the next 3 years the capital
> gains rate goes to zero for people in the 10 - 15% bracket, and for
> those above it is 5%.
> They spoke with their regular accountant and their attorney. Neither
> of these people had heard of the change to the capital gains rate. I
> heard about it several years ago when it was first passed but forgot
> until reminded at a seminar last week.
> Could somebody give me the law and year it was passed that made this
> change?


I don't understand how the two are related. If they are upside-down on
the mortgages, how do they still have a capital gain? Did they just keep
pulling money out?

The new rates do not include a 5% rate as you suggest above.
If your tax rate is 10 or 15%, you have a 0% cap gain rate. 25% or
higher bracket still see a 15% rate.

The law was JOBS AND GROWTH TAX RELIEF RECONCILIATION ACT OF 2003
(JGTRRA) of course. A link to the details is
http://www.cffp.edu/portal/alias__Ra...6/Default.aspx

Some amateurs out there will guess it was part of the Pension Protection
Act of 2006, which contained a myriad of other changes to the tax code.
Their accountant needs to read more.

JOE

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Old 01-18-2008, 11:37 PM
DORFMONT@aol.com (Linda Dorfmont)
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I have been doing a number of distressed disposition analyses for
taxpayers who are upside down on their mortgages. I recently met with
a family who has several rental properties in this situation. I
mentioned to them that this year and for the next 3 years the capital
gains rate goes to zero for people in the 10 - 15% bracket, and for
those above it is 5%.

They spoke with their regular accountant and their attorney. Neither
of these people had heard of the change to the capital gains rate. I
heard about it several years ago when it was first passed but forgot
until reminded at a seminar last week.

Could somebody give me the law and year it was passed that made this
change?

I am warning them that it could be changed again depending on the
election results so don't count on any more lower rate after 2008.

Linda Dorfmont E.A., CFP, CSA

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