On Nov 24, 10:32 pm, se...[at]panix.com (Seth) wrote:
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Thanks for the explanation, Seth. It makes sense.

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I did the experiment. It is reasonably simple. The 1040-X preparation
first inherits everything from the original file, and then applies the
correction. The only thing is that once the 1040-X process is started,
the original number for certain lines must be entered manually within
TaxAct, by referring to the printed, or PDF version of the original
return. I thought a computer program should be able to do that
automatically by referring to a read-only version of the previous tax
file, but it only takes an extra 15 minutes, for 6-7 lines.

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No, this would be first amendment for 2006. I had previously filed an
amended return for 2004 taxes, due to corrective distribution. For
2006, I delayed filing return until April 15, 2007, and by that time,
the corrective distribution had already been made.

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Yeah, I would save about 25%+ in taxes of the net refund I give to the
company (well to my 401K). Plus, my account will be credited back with
some forfeited matching funds as well.

Again, thanks for your explanations.

MassMutual will issue a corrected 1099R by Feb 2008, but they said
that I can "use the letter from my company that lists refund amount to
go ahead and amend the tax return, without waiting for 1099R".

Is this correct? I know that I do not have to submit the 1099R-
corrected with 1040x (since there is no tax deducted). But if I know
what the corrected amount is going to be, can I simply file the 1040X
now, rather than wait for Feb 2008? Again, this for the 2006 taxes,
filed in April 2007.

Bhoot Nath

In article <5c3ad4e5-0196-4291-9176-0afd23c06799[at]b40g2000prf.googlegroups.com> ,
Bhoot Nath <deja_bhoot2000[at]yahoo.com> wrote:

[too much was returned from a 401(k) due to calculation error]

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If you don't return it, it's equivalent to you having elected to make
a smaller contribution.

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Correct.

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I don't know last year's Tax Cut, but it should be fairly easy.

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That depends on the cause of the amendment. (Also, haven't you
already amended this once? A second amendment for the same reason,
not your fault or error, shouldn't hurt.)

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So the benefit of the returned excess contribution is higher.

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When I looked at it (a number of years ago, the laws have changed
since then) the IRS Regs contradicted the IRC (in some edge cases I
came up with).

Seth

[Resending; the previous copy was accidently mailed without running a
spell checker)

First some background:

1. For the tax year 2004, my company's 401k plan failed the non-
discrimination test. A portion of my 401k contribution (since I was
tagged as HCE) was refunded. Mass Mutual, the plan keeper ran the non-
discrimination tests in early 2006 (no typo), 14-15 months after the
plan year ended. So, all HCEs had to file amended tax returns for
2004.

2. For tax year 2005, they ran the non-discrimination test before
April 15, 2006, and the plan passed. No impact on 2005 tax returns.

3. For tax year 2006, Mass Mutual ran the test around March 2007, in
advance of the April 15, 2007 filing deadline. This time the plan
failed in a BIG way -- almost 50% of the contribution was returned. I
took care of this in 2006 tax returned, filed by April 15, 2007.

4. Fast forward to November 15th ... Mass Mutual informed our company
that "[...] as a result of subsequent analysis, [...] a larger
corrective distribution was made than was necessary". Basically, they
goofed up the calculations, and the corrective distribution was about
25% larger than warranted. I think this, along with other poor service
from Mass Mutual, could be one reason why the company is switching to
Fidelity as the plan keeper starting in December.

I have now received a letter that says "[...] Under IRS Rules, the
company is obligated to request return of the return of funds.
However, participants are not obligated (not obligated underlined) to
return the amount...." Further, "[...] if you elect to return excess
portion of your corrective distribution to the plan, you will receive
a corrected 1099R showing a smaller taxable distribution from the
plan. This will require you to amend your 2006 tax return..."

So, tax pros and financial experts, and do-it-yourselfers, I am seeing
your comments and suggestions.

1. Why is IRS being generous? Why am I not obligated to return the
excess distribution?

2. It seems that by returning excess, I effectively increase my 401k
contribution for 2006 (e.g., contributed max of 15K; after HCE excess
distribution, was allowed to contriute only 8K, but after the return
of excess distribution, it will be back to more like 10K). This will
also reduce my taxes.

The downside is redoing both Federal and California taxes, a hassle.
In prior years, I did my taxes with paper and pencil; last year I used
TaxCut. How easy or difficult would it be to do amended returns with
TaxCut? Worth $500?

Is it trrue that filing amended returns increases the DIF score, and
increases chances for audit. I have only been audited once in 20
years, by mail, for not including AMT (6251), and it resulted in an
extra few hundred, but I am (perhaps irrationally) afraid of ever
being in audit, even at the cost of paying a bit extra taxes

My 2006 tax was unusual in that the family AGI, doubled for that year
(extra bonus, all W-2 income, paid at the highest tax rate ). But
for 2007, I am back to the normal wage, about 10% higher than 2005,
and half of 2006.

3. Has anyone else faced this? The math for the non-discrimination
test seems simple enough ... I can't believe a large company like Mass
Mutual messed up the calculations. (I can't do it myself, as it
requires knowing the salary and 401 contribution of everyone in the
company). I wonder how many other mistakes they make in record
keeping...

Bhoot Nath