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| "Seth" <sethb[at]panix.com> wrote: - quote - > > Now comes the tax question: These shares were held in my IRA account, but
Great catch!> > the settlement payment was made directly to me. As far as I can tell > > nothing > > went through my IRA custodian broker. > > > So how should this settlement be reported on my return for 2007? > Would it be possible/permissible to consider it a withdrawal > and redeposit it as a rollover? I see no reason why it wouldn't work, unless it creates problems with the once in 12 month limitation on rollovers. Much easier than trying to get the check reissued. -- Phil Marti Clarksburg, MD |
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| Ray <rayj.balt[at]DELTHISverizon.net> wrote: - quote - > At some point I was invited to join a class action, which I did, while
Would it be possible/permissible to consider it a withdrawal> thinking I'd be wasting my time. Lo and behold, today I got a check for > $431. > Now comes the tax question: These shares were held in my IRA account, but > the settlement payment was made directly to me. As far as I can tell nothing > went through my IRA custodian broker. > So how should this settlement be reported on my return for 2007? and redeposit it as a rollover? Seth << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| Ray wrote: - quote - > "Arthur Kamlet" <kamlet[at]panix.com> wrote:
In that case, can't hurt to see if you could convince the> > Ray <rayj.balt[at]DELTHISverizon.net> wrote: > > > A few years ago I held some shares in Royal Ahold, a Netherlands-based > > > company which at that time owned Giant supermarkets in the USA. > > > > > I'm not entirely clear what happened, but there was a near-collapse -- > > > during the Enron and Worldcom scandals. > > > > > At some point I was invited to join a class action, which I did, while > > > thinking I'd be wasting my time. Lo and behold, today I got a check for > > > $431. > > > > > Now comes the tax question: These shares were held in my IRA account, but > > > the settlement payment was made directly to me. As far as I can tell > > > nothing > > > went through my IRA custodian broker. > > > > > So how should this settlement be reported on my return for 2007? > > > > > I would assume it would be reported as an IRA withdrawal, except that the > > > IRA custodian seems to have no record and reported nothing. > > > > > I should add, because it was in an IRA account, I never claimed any loss > > > on the shares. > > The proper way to have handled this was to file claim papers > > using the IRA name. > > > At this point, you should try to convince he IRA custodian > > to accept the check as a settlement of claim. He will > > either say no way, or will accept it and then should > > code it as a dividend not as a new contribution. > > > You could also cash it for your personal use but that > > would make it an IRA distributon subject to a 10% early > > distribution penalty if appropriate. > Thanks to you and others who gave similar advice. > Actually, I'm already in the withdrawal period of my IRA, > and I can easily absorb this additional withdrawal without > any penalty or any consequence other than to pay the tax on > the $431. > Seems to me the simplest way would be to go ahead and report > it as an IRA withdrawal, even though it won't be reported on > my 1099R forms. But it might confuse the IRS. distributor to reissue a 1099R that I could see. Not that they're likely to do so, but... Otherwise, just report it as you say and have the explanation if asked...I guess for that amount I'd be sure to make any RMD (if required) satisfy that requirement independent of this just to be on the safe side. << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| "Ron Rosenfeld" <ronrosenfeld[at]nospam.org> wrote: - quote - > I have not seen my check yet. But I expect it will be made
Yes> out to me. In my case, the original holding was in a Roth > IRA, with a custodian who I no longer use. > So I am assuming, from what has been written here, that for > me it would be a qualified withdrawal, not subject to any > taxes or penalties. > Is that correct, in your opinion? -- Phil Marti Clarksburg, MD << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| Phil Marti" <prm20871[at]verizon.net> wrote: - quote - > The payment was drafted incorrectly. Return it and have it
I have not seen my check yet. But I expect it will be made> reissued to your IRA. It then gets deposited in your IRA as > earnings. out to me. In my case, the original holding was in a Roth IRA, with a custodian who I no longer use. So I am assuming, from what has been written here, that for me it would be a qualified withdrawal, not subject to any taxes or penalties. Is that correct, in your opinion? --ron << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| "Arthur Kamlet" <kamlet[at]panix.com> wrote: - quote - > Ray <rayj.balt[at]DELTHISverizon.net> wrote:
Thanks to you and others who gave similar advice.> > A few years ago I held some shares in Royal Ahold, a Netherlands-based > > company which at that time owned Giant supermarkets in the USA. > > > I'm not entirely clear what happened, but there was a near-collapse -- > > during the Enron and Worldcom scandals. > > > At some point I was invited to join a class action, which I did, while > > thinking I'd be wasting my time. Lo and behold, today I got a check for > > $431. > > > Now comes the tax question: These shares were held in my IRA account, but > > the settlement payment was made directly to me. As far as I can tell > > nothing > > went through my IRA custodian broker. > > > So how should this settlement be reported on my return for 2007? > > > I would assume it would be reported as an IRA withdrawal, except that the > > IRA custodian seems to have no record and reported nothing. > > > I should add, because it was in an IRA account, I never claimed any loss > > on the shares. > The proper way to have handled this was to file claim papers > using the IRA name. > At this point, you should try to convince he IRA custodian > to accept the check as a settlement of claim. He will > either say no way, or will accept it and then should > code it as a dividend not as a new contribution. > You could also cash it for your personal use but that > would make it an IRA distributon subject to a 10% early > distribution penalty if appropriate. Actually, I'm already in the withdrawal period of my IRA, and I can easily absorb this additional withdrawal without any penalty or any consequence other than to pay the tax on the $431. Seems to me the simplest way would be to go ahead and report it as an IRA withdrawal, even though it won't be reported on my 1099R forms. But it might confuse the IRS. << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| "Ray" <rayj.balt[at]DELTHISverizon.net> wrote in - quote - > A few years ago I held some shares in Royal Ahold, a Netherlands-based
Have you asked Ahold? They still maintain a website,> company which at that time owned Giant supermarkets in the USA. > I'm not entirely clear what happened, but there was a near-collapse -- > during the Enron and Worldcom scandals. > At some point I was invited to join a class action, which I did, while > thinking I'd be wasting my time. Lo and behold, today I got a check > for $431. > Now comes the tax question: These shares were held in my IRA account, > but the settlement payment was made directly to me. As far as I can > tell nothing went through my IRA custodian broker. > So how should this settlement be reported on my return for 2007? > I would assume it would be reported as an IRA withdrawal, except that > the IRA custodian seems to have no record and reported nothing. > I should add, because it was in an IRA account, I never claimed any > loss on the shares. www.ahold.com, even with an investor relations link under contacts. AHONY.PK shares are today at US$14.55, although in 199 they were ~$40 (and the dollar has devalued, so in Euros they lost much more). Ahold still owns Albert Heyn, Giant, Peapod, Stop & Shop. Yes, there was an enormous brouhaha, because they expanded too fast, but Ahold survived somewhat. -- Best regards Han email address is invalid << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| "Ray" <rayj.balt[at]DELTHISverizon.net> wrote: - quote - > A few years ago I held some shares in Royal Ahold, a Netherlands-based
Contact the settlement agent, return the check, and have it> company which at that time owned Giant supermarkets in the USA. > I'm not entirely clear what happened, but there was a near-collapse -- > during the Enron and Worldcom scandals. > At some point I was invited to join a class action, which I did, while > thinking I'd be wasting my time. Lo and behold, today I got a check for > $431. > Now comes the tax question: These shares were held in my IRA account, but > the settlement payment was made directly to me. As far as I can tell > nothing > went through my IRA custodian broker. > So how should this settlement be reported on my return for 2007? > I would assume it would be reported as an IRA withdrawal, except that the > IRA custodian seems to have no record and reported nothing. > I should add, because it was in an IRA account, I never claimed any loss > on the shares. reissued to your IRA. It should be deposited there. If you cash the check, not only will you owe tax on the settlement, you will probably owe a 10% penalty. Your state may also assess a penalty (in addition to any tax due). Ira Smilovitz << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| Ray <rayj.balt[at]DELTHISverizon.net> wrote: - quote - > A few years ago I held some shares in Royal Ahold, a Netherlands-based
The proper way to have handled this was to file claim papers> company which at that time owned Giant supermarkets in the USA. > I'm not entirely clear what happened, but there was a near-collapse -- > during the Enron and Worldcom scandals. > At some point I was invited to join a class action, which I did, while > thinking I'd be wasting my time. Lo and behold, today I got a check for > $431. > Now comes the tax question: These shares were held in my IRA account, but > the settlement payment was made directly to me. As far as I can tell nothing > went through my IRA custodian broker. > So how should this settlement be reported on my return for 2007? > I would assume it would be reported as an IRA withdrawal, except that the > IRA custodian seems to have no record and reported nothing. > I should add, because it was in an IRA account, I never claimed any loss on > the shares. using the IRA name. At this point, you should try to convince he IRA custodian to accept the check as a settlement of claim. He will either say no way, or will accept it and then should code it as a dividend not as a new contribution. You could also cash it for your personal use but that would make it an IRA distributon subject to a 10% early distribution penalty if appropriate. -- ArtKamlet at a o l dot c o m Columbus OH K2PZH << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| "Ray" <rayj.balt[at]DELTHISverizon.net> wrote: - quote - > At some point I was invited to join a class action, which I did, while
The payment was drafted incorrectly. Return it and have it> thinking I'd be wasting my time. Lo and behold, today I got a check for > $431. > Now comes the tax question: These shares were held in my IRA account, but > the settlement payment was made directly to me. reissued to your IRA. It then gets deposited in your IRA as earnings. -- Phil Marti Clarksburg, MD << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| A few years ago I held some shares in Royal Ahold, a Netherlands-based company which at that time owned Giant supermarkets in the USA. I'm not entirely clear what happened, but there was a near-collapse -- during the Enron and Worldcom scandals. At some point I was invited to join a class action, which I did, while thinking I'd be wasting my time. Lo and behold, today I got a check for $431. Now comes the tax question: These shares were held in my IRA account, but the settlement payment was made directly to me. As far as I can tell nothing went through my IRA custodian broker. So how should this settlement be reported on my return for 2007? I would assume it would be reported as an IRA withdrawal, except that the IRA custodian seems to have no record and reported nothing. I should add, because it was in an IRA account, I never claimed any loss on the shares. << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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