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| Seth wrote: - quote - > Harlan Lunsford <ffpjj2$ov8$1[at]panix2.panix.com> wrote:
In that case it will just pass on to my daughter eventually> > Now then, how much am I bid for a first edition of Gone with > > the Wind? > What condition? Is it a true first? Dustjacket? > It seems to sell for up to $10,000. with stepped up basis, some time in the distant (I hope) future. ChEAr$, Harlan p.s. sadly, no jacket. << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| Harlan Lunsford wrote: - quote - > Paul Thomas, CPA wrote:
Nah, but the 1954 edition is a classic.> > The nature of the item is what makes it a collectible. > Then how about my 1956 copy of Prentice Hall's Federal Tax > Course? Stu << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| Harlan Lunsford <ffpjj2$ov8$1[at]panix2.panix.com> wrote: - quote - > Now then, how much am I bid for a first edition of Gone with
What condition? Is it a true first? Dustjacket?> the Wind? It seems to sell for up to $10,000. Seth << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| Seth wrote: - quote - > In the case of books, it's almost purely a matter of price:
Being a bibliophile, I think I can offer a theory. In my> a book with a high value is a collectible. > However: does the time it became a collectible matter? A > new book, easily purchased for cover price, isn't a > collectible. It stays in print for, say, a year. Three > years later, it costs 5x its initial price (and up). When > did it become collectible? library are many first editions relating to history and biography that I purchased around fifty years ago. Just because a book is a first edition, though, does not in itself make it a collectible. After checking prices on the net for like copies, and comparing with what I paid for them (recorded inside cover of each book with date purchased and location), to replace them in case of first would take more than twice the amounts usually. Now then, how much am I bid for a first edition of Gone with the Wind? There's even a small photo of Clark Gable that I guess mother stuck between the pages in 1939. ChEAr$, Harlan << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| Paul Thomas, CPA wrote: - quote - > "Pats Fan" <kingfish02375[at]yahoo.com> wrote
Then how about my 1956 copy of Prentice Hall's Federal Tax> > I'm trying to find the tax rate as the result of selling > > books at a gain. Are there books that are sold at a gain > > that would NOT be collectibles? I asked the IRS, and the > > lady told me that she didn't know of any reg's that would > > define a collectible (in regard to books) any better than > > the terminology in the Schedule D instructions. "gems, > > stamps...and certain other tangible property." > > > Is it the case that "if it smells like a collectible", i.e., > > some significant gain of value, then it IS a collectible? Or > > are there some Reg's which will better define this for me? > It most often falls to a facts and circumstances case. Many > books are not collectibles, but you can look at it and tell > it's not and never will be one. What's the chance that my > 1996 Federal Tax Handbook would be a collectible? > The nature of the item is what makes it a collectible. Course? ChEAr$, Harlan << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| Benjamin Yazersky CPA wrote: - quote - > "Arthur Kamlet" <kamlet[at]panix.com> wrote:
Just as well, 'cause it ain't settled yet.> > So far as I know, baseballs are not collectibles. > About a month or so ago, I witnessed several tax > accountant/CPAs debating just that point - whether a Bonds > home run baseball was a collectible > (not being a big stick & ball fan, I really didn't pay that > close attention to the debate) Or as Yogi Berra said, "It ain't over, till it's over." ChEAr$, Harlan << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| Pats Fan <kingfish02375[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > I'm trying to find the tax rate as the result of selling
Sure. Any bookstore that sells new books sells them at a> books at a gain. Are there books that are sold at a gain > that would NOT be collectibles? gain (or goes out of business fast). Seth << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| Pats Fan <kingfish02375[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > I'm trying to find the tax rate as the result of selling
If you got a free copy of the "Warren Report" when it was> books at a gain. Are there books that are sold at a gain > that would NOT be collectibles? published, it's just a book you've had for 40 some years, not a collectible. I know people who have a hundred or more books on the same subject that they purchased at retail or at dollar book sales. It's their library and I doubt it would be a collecctible. Dick << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| Paul Thomas, CPA <paulthomascpapc[at]bellsouth.net> wrote: - quote - > It most often falls to a facts and circumstances case. Many
and are worth $5 or so.> books are not collectibles, - quote - > but you can look at it and tell
In the case of books, it's almost purely a matter of price:> it's not and never will be one. .. . . > The nature of the item is what makes it a collectible. a book with a high value is a collectible. However: does the time it became a collectible matter? A new book, easily purchased for cover price, isn't a collectible. It stays in print for, say, a year. Three years later, it costs 5x its initial price (and up). When did it become collectible? Seth << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| kam...[at]panix.com (Arthur Kamlet) wrote: - quote - > Pats Fan <kingfish02...[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
"whatever else the Secretary has declared to be a collectible."> > I'm trying to find the tax rate as the result of selling > > books at a gain. Are there books that are sold at a gain > > that would NOT be collectibles? I asked the IRS, and the > > lady told me that she didn't know of any reg's that would > > define a collectible (in regard to books) any better than > > the terminology in the Schedule D instructions. "gems, > > stamps...and certain other tangible property." > > > Is it the case that "if it smells like a collectible", i.e., > > some significant gain of value, then it IS a collectible? Or > > are there some Reg's which will better define this for me? > Just as it says, it's stamps and coins and whatever else the > Secretary has declared to be a collectible. > So far as I know, baseballs are not collectibles. That's the "other tangible property" I was referring to; how do I get access to the Secretary's list? << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| Dick Adams <rdad...[at]panix.com> wrote: - quote - > "Pats Fan" <kingfish02...[at]yahoo.com> wrote
I think all the books in the library at Texas A&M are> > I'm trying to find the tax rate as the result of selling > > books at a gain. Are there books that are sold at a gain > > that would NOT be collectibles? I asked the IRS, and the > > lady told me that she didn't know of any reg's that would > > define a collectible (in regard to books) any better than > > the terminology in the Schedule D instructions. "gems, > > stamps and certain other tangible property." > I hope you were not expecting a definitive answer from > the 1-800 number. > > Is it the case that "if it smells like a collectible", i.e., > > some significant gain of value, then it IS a collectible? Or > > are there some Reg's which will better define this for me? > How many books are you selling? How large of a gain > are you expecting? What is it about these books that > might make them collectibles? collectibles since they are clearly not there to be read. Moderator: ROTFLMAO << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| "Arthur Kamlet" <kamlet[at]panix.com> wrote: - quote - > Pats Fan <kingfish02375[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
About a month or so ago, I witnessed several tax> So far as I know, baseballs are not collectibles. accountant/CPAs debating just that point - whether a Bonds home run baseball was a collectible (not being a big stick & ball fan, I really didn't pay that close attention to the debate) ___________________________________ <<< Benjamin Yazersky, CPA [NJ & NY] > > -----> real address on hobokeni or hobokenx <----- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| Dick Adams <rdad...[at]panix.com> wrote: - quote - > "Pats Fan" <kingfish02...[at]yahoo.com> wrote
Maybe the fact that he can convince someone to pay more than> What is it about these books that > might make them collectibles? retail for them? << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| "Pats Fan" <kingfish02375[at]yahoo.com> wrote - quote - > I'm trying to find the tax rate as the result of selling
I hope you were not expecting a definitive answer from> books at a gain. Are there books that are sold at a gain > that would NOT be collectibles? I asked the IRS, and the > lady told me that she didn't know of any reg's that would > define a collectible (in regard to books) any better than > the terminology in the Schedule D instructions. "gems, > stamps and certain other tangible property." the 1-800 number. - quote - > Is it the case that "if it smells like a collectible", i.e.,
How many books are you selling? How large of a gain> some significant gain of value, then it IS a collectible? Or > are there some Reg's which will better define this for me? are you expecting? What is it about these books that might make them collectibles? Dick << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| "Pats Fan" <kingfish02375[at]yahoo.com> wrote - quote - > I'm trying to find the tax rate as the result of selling
It most often falls to a facts and circumstances case. Many> books at a gain. Are there books that are sold at a gain > that would NOT be collectibles? I asked the IRS, and the > lady told me that she didn't know of any reg's that would > define a collectible (in regard to books) any better than > the terminology in the Schedule D instructions. "gems, > stamps...and certain other tangible property." > Is it the case that "if it smells like a collectible", i.e., > some significant gain of value, then it IS a collectible? Or > are there some Reg's which will better define this for me? books are not collectibles, but you can look at it and tell it's not and never will be one. What's the chance that my 1996 Federal Tax Handbook would be a collectible? The nature of the item is what makes it a collectible. -- Paul A. Thomas, CPA Athens, Georgia << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| Pats Fan <kingfish02375[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > I'm trying to find the tax rate as the result of selling
Just as it says, it's stamps and coins and whatever else the> books at a gain. Are there books that are sold at a gain > that would NOT be collectibles? I asked the IRS, and the > lady told me that she didn't know of any reg's that would > define a collectible (in regard to books) any better than > the terminology in the Schedule D instructions. "gems, > stamps...and certain other tangible property." > Is it the case that "if it smells like a collectible", i.e., > some significant gain of value, then it IS a collectible? Or > are there some Reg's which will better define this for me? Secretary has declared to be a collectible. So far as I know, baseballs are not collectibles. -- ArtKamlet at a o l dot c o m Columbus OH K2PZH << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| I'm trying to find the tax rate as the result of selling books at a gain. Are there books that are sold at a gain that would NOT be collectibles? I asked the IRS, and the lady told me that she didn't know of any reg's that would define a collectible (in regard to books) any better than the terminology in the Schedule D instructions. "gems, stamps...and certain other tangible property." Is it the case that "if it smells like a collectible", i.e., some significant gain of value, then it IS a collectible? Or are there some Reg's which will better define this for me? << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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