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| Pologirl wrote: - quote - > Others have said or suggested her fee is not a deductible
Accounting fees are not deductible JUST because they are> expense. But tax preparation expenses are deductible, aren't > they? Is an accountant not a deductible expense? paid to us. What makes some fees (not all) deductible is permission by congress as codified in the tax code. In this case the law specifically mentions tax preparation and tax determination. - quote - > Whether this is a deductible *medical* expense ... I'm not
Remember, not every deduction is or has been the subject of> sure. It is an area where case law applies, and I don't > have access to the literature. You could get a Private > Letter Ruling from the IRS; the fee for one of those > depends on your income but it would exceed $495. But if you > can count it as an ordinary deductible expense, you have > nothing to gain by treating it as a medical expense. 'case law'. - quote - > I just finished my own family's tax return for 2006,
Good thing you didn't include the postage; it's not> including deductions for enormous unreimbursed medical > expenses. I didn't think to count the postage on all the > medical bills I paid by mail, but I did claim mileage for > every trip in a private vehicle for medical care, plus > tolls, parking, public transit, and for all long distance > phone calls and cell phone minutes in excess of plan > relating to medical care. I don't know for a fact these are > allowed, but I felt comfortable enough about it to claim > them. deductible, nor are phone charges. Get a copy of IRS publication 50.... 2 I think, the one relating to what is deductible. Remember, any amount must be for the treatment of the body (or mind in some cases! lol). (snipped....) ChEAr$, Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| AES wrote: - quote - > I just signed a $495 check for services provided over the
Others have said or suggested her fee is not a deductible> past few months by a professional accountant [...] > I'm planning on deducting her fee as a *medical* expense -- > right? expense. But tax preparation expenses are deductible, aren't they? Is an accountant not a deductible expense? Whether this is a deductible *medical* expense ... I'm not sure. It is an area where case law applies, and I don't have access to the literature. You could get a Private Letter Ruling from the IRS; the fee for one of those depends on your income but it would exceed $495. But if you can count it as an ordinary deductible expense, you have nothing to gain by treating it as a medical expense. I just finished my own family's tax return for 2006, including deductions for enormous unreimbursed medical expenses. I didn't think to count the postage on all the medical bills I paid by mail, but I did claim mileage for every trip in a private vehicle for medical care, plus tolls, parking, public transit, and for all long distance phone calls and cell phone minutes in excess of plan relating to medical care. I don't know for a fact these are allowed, but I felt comfortable enough about it to claim them. I wish *I* could have found someone to sort out the piles of bills and insurance EOB forms for me for just $500. Maybe with what I learned in the past year, I should start a small consulting business doing this for others. Once I figured out how to do it, I kind of enjoyed making order out of chaos. Pologirl << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| - quote - > > I'm planning on deducting her fee as a *medical* expense --
If I mail a check to my doctor, is the stamp a medical expense?> > right? > This expense is clearly not a medical expense, Seth << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| San Diego CPA wrote: - quote - > "AES" <siegman[at]stanford.edu> wrote:
So you're saying that the "income producing property" is> > I recently attended an Emeriti Council meeting at my > > university at which numerous emeritus faculty members (most > > of them still totally savvy intellectually, some of them MDs > > themselves) recounted horror story after horror story of > > confusing, confused, grossly incorrect, invalid, > > uninterpretable, or totally unjustified billings for medical > > care; correspondingly incorrect or incompetent processing of > > and decisions about these bills by private and government > > insurance payors and benefits plans; and almost total > > inability to get useful assistance in dealing with these > > organizations -- in short, all the other usual consequences > > of dealing with the U.S. health care system. > > > A senior human resources/staff benefits professional from > > our university participating in the meeting noted that the > > error rate for medical billings is commonly estimated to be > > in the range of 30% of all transactions involved. > > > I just signed a $495 check for services provided over the > > past few months by a professional accountant whose primary > > role is as a specialist and consulting in sorting out these > > problems. When we first approached her for help, she said > > in essence "Just bring in the whole proverbial 'shoebox' > > full of confusing and uninterpretable documents resulting > > from your wife's recent two-year-long medical adventure [it > > was really more like a banker's box than a shoebox in our > > case]; don't bother trying to sort anything out; I'll do > > that, tell you what bills you still have to pay, file the > > claims for those you don't, and do the paperwork to recover > > the payments you shouldn't have made." She did so, and has > > been more than worth her services. > > > I'm planning on deducting her fee as a *medical* expense -- > > right? > This expense is clearly not a medical expense, however, I > would agree with deducting as a Misc Itemized Deduction > subject to 2% of AGI. These expenses are clearly related to > preservation of income producing property (i.e., preserving > investable assets by preventing unnecessary overpayment of > medical expenses). Depending in level of income, expenses > in question, AMT issues and the like, the taxpayer will > probably get no real tax benefit, but I think this is the > most appropriate treatment. the body of the taxpayer? Not even a judge in a court of law would agree to such an extension of terms. Why not a deduction for loss of utility as we become older, then? ChEAr$, Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| "AES" <siegman[at]stanford.edu> wrote: - quote - > I recently attended an Emeriti Council meeting at my
Unless your out of pocket medical expenses were high enough> university at which numerous emeritus faculty members (most > of them still totally savvy intellectually, some of them MDs > themselves) recounted horror story after horror story of > confusing, confused, grossly incorrect, invalid, > uninterpretable, or totally unjustified billings for medical > care; correspondingly incorrect or incompetent processing of > and decisions about these bills by private and government > insurance payors and benefits plans; and almost total > inability to get useful assistance in dealing with these > organizations -- in short, all the other usual consequences > of dealing with the U.S. health care system. > A senior human resources/staff benefits professional from > our university participating in the meeting noted that the > error rate for medical billings is commonly estimated to be > in the range of 30% of all transactions involved. > I just signed a $495 check for services provided over the > past few months by a professional accountant whose primary > role is as a specialist and consulting in sorting out these > problems. When we first approached her for help, she said > in essence "Just bring in the whole proverbial 'shoebox' > full of confusing and uninterpretable documents resulting > from your wife's recent two-year-long medical adventure [it > was really more like a banker's box than a shoebox in our > case]; don't bother trying to sort anything out; I'll do > that, tell you what bills you still have to pay, file the > claims for those you don't, and do the paperwork to recover > the payments you shouldn't have made." She did so, and has > been more than worth her services. > I'm planning on deducting her fee as a *medical* expense -- > right? to exceed 7.5% of your AGI, a medical deduction would be meaningless as well as inappropriate. If your miscellaneous itemized deductions exceed 2% of your AGI, put it there. It is NOT a medical expense, but you can argue it is a medical-related expense. See if your health care spending account will cover it. Dick << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| "AES" <siegman[at]stanford.edu> wrote: - quote - > I recently attended an Emeriti Council meeting at my
This expense is clearly not a medical expense, however, I> university at which numerous emeritus faculty members (most > of them still totally savvy intellectually, some of them MDs > themselves) recounted horror story after horror story of > confusing, confused, grossly incorrect, invalid, > uninterpretable, or totally unjustified billings for medical > care; correspondingly incorrect or incompetent processing of > and decisions about these bills by private and government > insurance payors and benefits plans; and almost total > inability to get useful assistance in dealing with these > organizations -- in short, all the other usual consequences > of dealing with the U.S. health care system. > A senior human resources/staff benefits professional from > our university participating in the meeting noted that the > error rate for medical billings is commonly estimated to be > in the range of 30% of all transactions involved. > I just signed a $495 check for services provided over the > past few months by a professional accountant whose primary > role is as a specialist and consulting in sorting out these > problems. When we first approached her for help, she said > in essence "Just bring in the whole proverbial 'shoebox' > full of confusing and uninterpretable documents resulting > from your wife's recent two-year-long medical adventure [it > was really more like a banker's box than a shoebox in our > case]; don't bother trying to sort anything out; I'll do > that, tell you what bills you still have to pay, file the > claims for those you don't, and do the paperwork to recover > the payments you shouldn't have made." She did so, and has > been more than worth her services. > I'm planning on deducting her fee as a *medical* expense -- > right? would agree with deducting as a Misc Itemized Deduction subject to 2% of AGI. These expenses are clearly related to preservation of income producing property (i.e., preserving investable assets by preventing unnecessary overpayment of medical expenses). Depending in level of income, expenses in question, AMT issues and the like, the taxpayer will probably get no real tax benefit, but I think this is the most appropriate treatment. << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| "AES" <siegman[at]stanford.edu> wrote - quote - > I recently attended an Emeriti Council meeting at my
If that's your plan.......> university at which numerous emeritus faculty members (most > of them still totally savvy intellectually, some of them MDs > themselves) recounted horror story after horror story of > confusing, confused, grossly incorrect, invalid, > uninterpretable, or totally unjustified billings for medical > care; correspondingly incorrect or incompetent processing of > and decisions about these bills by private and government > insurance payors and benefits plans; and almost total > inability to get useful assistance in dealing with these > organizations -- in short, all the other usual consequences > of dealing with the U.S. health care system. > A senior human resources/staff benefits professional from > our university participating in the meeting noted that the > error rate for medical billings is commonly estimated to be > in the range of 30% of all transactions involved. > I just signed a $495 check for services provided over the > past few months by a professional accountant whose primary > role is as a specialist and consulting in sorting out these > problems. When we first approached her for help, she said > in essence "Just bring in the whole proverbial 'shoebox' > full of confusing and uninterpretable documents resulting > from your wife's recent two-year-long medical adventure [it > was really more like a banker's box than a shoebox in our > case]; don't bother trying to sort anything out; I'll do > that, tell you what bills you still have to pay, file the > claims for those you don't, and do the paperwork to recover > the payments you shouldn't have made." She did so, and has > been more than worth her services. > I'm planning on deducting her fee as a *medical* expense -- > right? But I see it as a personal accounting expense, not a payment for a qualified medical service or product. -- Paul A. Thomas, CPA Athens, Georgia << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| AES wrote: - quote - > I recently attended an Emeriti Council meeting at my
I don't think so. See IRS publication 502, somewhere about> university at which numerous emeritus faculty members (most > of them still totally savvy intellectually, some of them MDs > themselves) recounted horror story after horror story of > confusing, confused, grossly incorrect, invalid, > uninterpretable, or totally unjustified billings for medical > care; correspondingly incorrect or incompetent processing of > and decisions about these bills by private and government > insurance payors and benefits plans; and almost total > inability to get useful assistance in dealing with these > organizations -- in short, all the other usual consequences > of dealing with the U.S. health care system. > A senior human resources/staff benefits professional from > our university participating in the meeting noted that the > error rate for medical billings is commonly estimated to be > in the range of 30% of all transactions involved. > I just signed a $495 check for services provided over the > past few months by a professional accountant whose primary > role is as a specialist and consulting in sorting out these > problems. When we first approached her for help, she said > in essence "Just bring in the whole proverbial 'shoebox' > full of confusing and uninterpretable documents resulting > from your wife's recent two-year-long medical adventure [it > was really more like a banker's box than a shoebox in our > case]; don't bother trying to sort anything out; I'll do > that, tell you what bills you still have to pay, file the > claims for those you don't, and do the paperwork to recover > the payments you shouldn't have made." She did so, and has > been more than worth her services. > I'm planning on deducting her fee as a *medical* expense -- > right? page 9, under legal fees. In short, these are not medical expenses. ChEAr$, Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| I recently attended an Emeriti Council meeting at my university at which numerous emeritus faculty members (most of them still totally savvy intellectually, some of them MDs themselves) recounted horror story after horror story of confusing, confused, grossly incorrect, invalid, uninterpretable, or totally unjustified billings for medical care; correspondingly incorrect or incompetent processing of and decisions about these bills by private and government insurance payors and benefits plans; and almost total inability to get useful assistance in dealing with these organizations -- in short, all the other usual consequences of dealing with the U.S. health care system. A senior human resources/staff benefits professional from our university participating in the meeting noted that the error rate for medical billings is commonly estimated to be in the range of 30% of all transactions involved. I just signed a $495 check for services provided over the past few months by a professional accountant whose primary role is as a specialist and consulting in sorting out these problems. When we first approached her for help, she said in essence "Just bring in the whole proverbial 'shoebox' full of confusing and uninterpretable documents resulting from your wife's recent two-year-long medical adventure [it was really more like a banker's box than a shoebox in our case]; don't bother trying to sort anything out; I'll do that, tell you what bills you still have to pay, file the claims for those you don't, and do the paperwork to recover the payments you shouldn't have made." She did so, and has been more than worth her services. I'm planning on deducting her fee as a *medical* expense -- right? << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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