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| Furry <f7p6rt$8l7$1[at]panix2.panix.com> wrote: - quote - > "cball...[at]tyyni.net" <cball...[at]tyyni.net> wrote:
The IRS could go after each of them for the entire tax bill> > Transferee liability. See Code section 6324(a)(2). > > > If everyone is cooperative, each of the people that receives > > a share of the estate will pony up their fair share of the > > estate tax. If not, then the IRS can go after all of them, > > or any one of them individually. If they go after the > > beneficiaries individually, then it's up the the > > beneficiaries to go after the other beneficiaries for > > reimbursement. > Interesting - would the IRS go after the beneficiaries > proportionately, ie. if the spouse receives 1/4 of the > estate, one child 1/4 and another child 1/2 will the IRS go > after them for that part of the taxes or go after each of > them for the entire tax bill? until the total it collected matched the bill. Then those who paid more than their fair share could go after the others for reimbursement. Seth << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| "cball...[at]tyyni.net" <cball...[at]tyyni.net> wrote: - quote - > Furry <fu...[at]world.std.com> wrote:
Interesting - would the IRS go after the beneficiaries> > Someone close to me owns very large amounts of property, > > roughly valued at more than $2 million. Most of it is owned... > Transferee liability. See Code section 6324(a)(2). > If the estate tax is not paid when due, then any of the > following who receives, or who has on the date of the > decedent's death, property included in the decedent's gross > estate under Code Sec. 2034 through Code Sec. 2042 (this > includes joint property, which is subject to estate tax > under section 2040), is personally liable for the unpaid > estate tax, to the extent of the value on the date of the > decedent's death of the property received or possessed: > ... spouse > ... transferee > ... trustee, other than the trustee of a qualified employee > trust > ... surviving tenant > ... person in possession of property by reason of the > exercise, nonexercise, or release of a power of > appointment > ... beneficiary > If everyone is cooperative, each of the people that receives > a share of the estate will pony up their fair share of the > estate tax. If not, then the IRS can go after all of them, > or any one of them individually. If they go after the > beneficiaries individually, then it's up the the > beneficiaries to go after the other beneficiaries for > reimbursement. proportionately, ie. if the spouse receives 1/4 of the estate, one child 1/4 and another child 1/2 will the IRS go after them for that part of the taxes or go after each of them for the entire tax bill? Many thanks to everyone who has responded, this is what I feared but wasn't sure of - now maybe I can convince him to get an ILIT going... << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| "Paul Thomas, CPA" <paulthomascpapc[at]bellsouth.net> wrote: - quote - > The heirs owe the tax, and lacking any other sources, may
If they are not careful (e.g. having the insurance policy> have to mortgage or sell the property to pay the estate > taxes. > There generally is life insurance purchased to cover this. owned by a separate, irrevocable trust), half of the death benefit may go to pay estate taxes on the other half. Stu << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| Furry <fu...[at]world.std.com> wrote: - quote - > Someone close to me owns very large amounts of property,
Transferee liability. See Code section 6324(a)(2).> roughly valued at more than $2 million. Most of it is owned > JTWROS and will therefore pass to his heirs outside of > probate. 100% of their value will still be included in his > estate though, since in creating the JTWROS he gave them > their "half" and they didn't contribute anything. My > question then is this: Let's assume he dies in 2012 or > later, when the estate tax exclusion will probably be > severely reduced. There are going to be some large taxes on > his estate, but most of the property will be in the hands of > his heirs. Essentially the estate won't have any money and > not enough assets to sell to get the money to pay the estate > taxes. What happens at that point? If the estate tax is not paid when due, then any of the following who receives, or who has on the date of the decedent's death, property included in the decedent's gross estate under Code Sec. 2034 through Code Sec. 2042 (this includes joint property, which is subject to estate tax under section 2040), is personally liable for the unpaid estate tax, to the extent of the value on the date of the decedent's death of the property received or possessed: .... spouse .... transferee .... trustee, other than the trustee of a qualified employee trust .... surviving tenant .... person in possession of property by reason of the exercise, nonexercise, or release of a power of appointment .... beneficiary If everyone is cooperative, each of the people that receives a share of the estate will pony up their fair share of the estate tax. If not, then the IRS can go after all of them, or any one of them individually. If they go after the beneficiaries individually, then it's up the the beneficiaries to go after the other beneficiaries for reimbursement. --Chris << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| Furry <furry[at]world.std.com> writes: - quote - > Someone close to me owns very large amounts of property,
[snip]> roughly valued at more than $2 million. Most of it is owned > JTWROS and will therefore pass to his heirs outside of > probate. 100% of their value will still be included in his > estate though, - quote - > severely reduced. There are going to be some large taxes on
The heirs will be on the hook for the taxes.> his estate, but most of the property will be in the hands of > his heirs. Essentially the estate won't have any money and > not enough assets to sell to get the money to pay the estate > taxes. What happens at that point? -- Rich Carreiro rlc-news[at]rlcarr.com << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| Furry <furry[at]world.std.com> wrote: - quote - > Someone close to me owns very large amounts of property,
The heirs (or joint tenants) can be forced to pay their> roughly valued at more than $2 million. Most of it is owned > JTWROS and will therefore pass to his heirs outside of > probate. 100% of their value will still be included in his > estate though, since in creating the JTWROS he gave them > their "half" and they didn't contribute anything. My > question then is this: Let's assume he dies in 2012 or > later, when the estate tax exclusion will probably be > severely reduced. There are going to be some large taxes on > his estate, but most of the property will be in the hands of > his heirs. Essentially the estate won't have any money and > not enough assets to sell to get the money to pay the estate > taxes. What happens at that point? shares of the taxes based on the amounts received. Stu << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| "Furry" <furry[at]world.std.com> wrote - quote - > Someone close to me owns very large amounts of property,
The heirs owe the tax, and lacking any other sources, may> roughly valued at more than $2 million. Most of it is owned > JTWROS and will therefore pass to his heirs outside of > probate. 100% of their value will still be included in his > estate though, since in creating the JTWROS he gave them > their "half" and they didn't contribute anything. My > question then is this: Let's assume he dies in 2012 or > later, when the estate tax exclusion will probably be > severely reduced. There are going to be some large taxes on > his estate, but most of the property will be in the hands of > his heirs. Essentially the estate won't have any money and > not enough assets to sell to get the money to pay the estate > taxes. What happens at that point? have to mortgage or sell the property to pay the estate taxes. There generally is life insurance purchased to cover this. -- Paul A. Thomas, CPA Athens, Georgia << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| "Furry" <furry[at]world.std.com> wrote: - quote - > There are going to be some large taxes on
The heirs pay, through either transferee assessment or the> his estate, but most of the property will be in the hands of > his heirs. Essentially the estate won't have any money and > not enough assets to sell to get the money to pay the estate > taxes. What happens at that point? estate tax lien. -- Phil Marti Clarksburg, MD << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| Someone close to me owns very large amounts of property, roughly valued at more than $2 million. Most of it is owned JTWROS and will therefore pass to his heirs outside of probate. 100% of their value will still be included in his estate though, since in creating the JTWROS he gave them their "half" and they didn't contribute anything. My question then is this: Let's assume he dies in 2012 or later, when the estate tax exclusion will probably be severely reduced. There are going to be some large taxes on his estate, but most of the property will be in the hands of his heirs. Essentially the estate won't have any money and not enough assets to sell to get the money to pay the estate taxes. What happens at that point? Many thanks, Bill << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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