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Old 05-08-2007, 04:52 AM
cballard@tyyni.net
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Default Re: Is W-8BEN the Tax Withholding Form For non-resident Alien ?

Arnie Goetchius <arnie.goetch...[at]att.net> wrote:

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> A non-resident alien ( i.e. not a U.S. person) living in and
> a citizen of Greece will soon draw a pension from an
> American company based on his work in the U.S a number of
> years ago.
> The treaty between the US and Greece provides that there is
> no US tax due on any income under $10,000 a year. Since the
> pension will be under $10,000, presumably there is no tax
> due. If that is true, then there should be no withholding
> from his pension check.
> Ordinarily, I would say use a W4P to exclude have any
> deduction for income tax. However, based on my search of the
> U.S Treasury/IRS web site, it appears that this person
> should use form W-8BEN and use lines 9 and 10 "to claim a 0%
> rate of withholding".


The $10,000 amount in the US-Greece Tax Treaty only applies
to amounts earned for personal services. There's a
different section of the treaty that deals with pension
distributions. The provisions of that section say that
private pensions derived from within the US by an individual
who is a resident of Greece shall be exempt from taxation by
the US.

W-8BEN is the proper form to claim a reduced withholding
rate under the terms of the treaty.

--Chris

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Old 05-08-2007, 04:52 AM
Arnie Goetchius
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Default Re: Is W-8BEN the Tax Withholding Form For non-resident Alien ?

A.G. Kalman wrote:
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> Arnie Goetchius wrote:

> > A non-resident alien ( i.e. not a U.S. person) living in and
> > a citizen of Greece will soon draw a pension from an
> > American company based on his work in the U.S a number of
> > years ago.
> > > The treaty between the US and Greece provides that there is

> > no US tax due on any income under $10,000 a year. Since the
> > pension will be under $10,000, presumably there is no tax
> > due. If that is true, then there should be no withholding
> > from his pension check.
> > > Ordinarily, I would say use a W4P to exclude have any

> > deduction for income tax. However, based on my search of the
> > U.S Treasury/IRS web site, it appears that this person
> > should use form W-8BEN and use lines 9 and 10 "to claim a 0%
> > rate of withholding".
> > > Do I have that correct?


> You are looking at the wrong treaty article. You are looking
> at Article X that deals with compensation for personal
> services. You want Article XI that deals with private
> pensions. As the individual is not a US citizen, US
> National or US Resident Alien, Article XI states that any
> pension paid by the US to a resident of Greece for services
> rendered previously in the US is not taxable by the US.
> Use the W-8BEN to claim exemption, but quote Article XI.


Thanks for the correction. I will cite Article XI.

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Old 05-07-2007, 05:09 PM
A.G. Kalman
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Default Re: Is W-8BEN the Tax Withholding Form For non-resident Alien ?

Arnie Goetchius wrote:

- quote -

> A non-resident alien ( i.e. not a U.S. person) living in and
> a citizen of Greece will soon draw a pension from an
> American company based on his work in the U.S a number of
> years ago.
> The treaty between the US and Greece provides that there is
> no US tax due on any income under $10,000 a year. Since the
> pension will be under $10,000, presumably there is no tax
> due. If that is true, then there should be no withholding
> from his pension check.
> Ordinarily, I would say use a W4P to exclude have any
> deduction for income tax. However, based on my search of the
> U.S Treasury/IRS web site, it appears that this person
> should use form W-8BEN and use lines 9 and 10 "to claim a 0%
> rate of withholding".
> Do I have that correct?


You are looking at the wrong treaty article. You are looking
at Article X that deals with compensation for personal
services. You want Article XI that deals with private
pensions. As the individual is not a US citizen, US
National or US Resident Alien, Article XI states that any
pension paid by the US to a resident of Greece for services
rendered previously in the US is not taxable by the US.

Use the W-8BEN to claim exemption, but quote Article XI.

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Old 05-05-2007, 10:17 AM
Arnie Goetchius
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Default Is W-8BEN the Tax Withholding Form For non-resident Alien ?

A non-resident alien ( i.e. not a U.S. person) living in and
a citizen of Greece will soon draw a pension from an
American company based on his work in the U.S a number of
years ago.

The treaty between the US and Greece provides that there is
no US tax due on any income under $10,000 a year. Since the
pension will be under $10,000, presumably there is no tax
due. If that is true, then there should be no withholding
from his pension check.

Ordinarily, I would say use a W4P to exclude have any
deduction for income tax. However, based on my search of the
U.S Treasury/IRS web site, it appears that this person
should use form W-8BEN and use lines 9 and 10 "to claim a 0%
rate of withholding".

Do I have that correct?

<< ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- >
 

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