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| Arnie Goetchius <arnie.goetch...[at]att.net> wrote: - quote - > A non-resident alien ( i.e. not a U.S. person) living in and
The $10,000 amount in the US-Greece Tax Treaty only applies> a citizen of Greece will soon draw a pension from an > American company based on his work in the U.S a number of > years ago. > The treaty between the US and Greece provides that there is > no US tax due on any income under $10,000 a year. Since the > pension will be under $10,000, presumably there is no tax > due. If that is true, then there should be no withholding > from his pension check. > Ordinarily, I would say use a W4P to exclude have any > deduction for income tax. However, based on my search of the > U.S Treasury/IRS web site, it appears that this person > should use form W-8BEN and use lines 9 and 10 "to claim a 0% > rate of withholding". to amounts earned for personal services. There's a different section of the treaty that deals with pension distributions. The provisions of that section say that private pensions derived from within the US by an individual who is a resident of Greece shall be exempt from taxation by the US. W-8BEN is the proper form to claim a reduced withholding rate under the terms of the treaty. --Chris << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| A.G. Kalman wrote: - quote - > Arnie Goetchius wrote:
Thanks for the correction. I will cite Article XI.> > A non-resident alien ( i.e. not a U.S. person) living in and > > a citizen of Greece will soon draw a pension from an > > American company based on his work in the U.S a number of > > years ago. > > > The treaty between the US and Greece provides that there is > > no US tax due on any income under $10,000 a year. Since the > > pension will be under $10,000, presumably there is no tax > > due. If that is true, then there should be no withholding > > from his pension check. > > > Ordinarily, I would say use a W4P to exclude have any > > deduction for income tax. However, based on my search of the > > U.S Treasury/IRS web site, it appears that this person > > should use form W-8BEN and use lines 9 and 10 "to claim a 0% > > rate of withholding". > > > Do I have that correct? > You are looking at the wrong treaty article. You are looking > at Article X that deals with compensation for personal > services. You want Article XI that deals with private > pensions. As the individual is not a US citizen, US > National or US Resident Alien, Article XI states that any > pension paid by the US to a resident of Greece for services > rendered previously in the US is not taxable by the US. > Use the W-8BEN to claim exemption, but quote Article XI. << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| Arnie Goetchius wrote: - quote - > A non-resident alien ( i.e. not a U.S. person) living in and
You are looking at the wrong treaty article. You are looking> a citizen of Greece will soon draw a pension from an > American company based on his work in the U.S a number of > years ago. > The treaty between the US and Greece provides that there is > no US tax due on any income under $10,000 a year. Since the > pension will be under $10,000, presumably there is no tax > due. If that is true, then there should be no withholding > from his pension check. > Ordinarily, I would say use a W4P to exclude have any > deduction for income tax. However, based on my search of the > U.S Treasury/IRS web site, it appears that this person > should use form W-8BEN and use lines 9 and 10 "to claim a 0% > rate of withholding". > Do I have that correct? at Article X that deals with compensation for personal services. You want Article XI that deals with private pensions. As the individual is not a US citizen, US National or US Resident Alien, Article XI states that any pension paid by the US to a resident of Greece for services rendered previously in the US is not taxable by the US. Use the W-8BEN to claim exemption, but quote Article XI. << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| A non-resident alien ( i.e. not a U.S. person) living in and a citizen of Greece will soon draw a pension from an American company based on his work in the U.S a number of years ago. The treaty between the US and Greece provides that there is no US tax due on any income under $10,000 a year. Since the pension will be under $10,000, presumably there is no tax due. If that is true, then there should be no withholding from his pension check. Ordinarily, I would say use a W4P to exclude have any deduction for income tax. However, based on my search of the U.S Treasury/IRS web site, it appears that this person should use form W-8BEN and use lines 9 and 10 "to claim a 0% rate of withholding". Do I have that correct? << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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