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| - quote - > > Anyone have good cites/authority(ies) for attributing some
Good , sound answer. Unfortunately, the donor's basis in the> > value to "good & valuable consideration" on land sales? > > > I have a TP who acquired serveral tracts of land with timber > > from father and other relatives ten or more years ago. The > > Warranty Deeds reflect that ..in consideration of One (or > > 10) Dollar(s) and other good and valuable consideration ... > > the land was transferred to TP. The unwritten understanding > > was that she would continue to care for her aged father until > > he died, which she did for more than 9 years after the > > sale/transfer. > > > Not really a gift and his basis was very little. > > > In 2006 TP sold timber on these lands for about $40,000. > > We are hoping to legitimately establish basis of more than > > the One Dollar or 10 Dollars reflected on the warranty > > deeds for these properties. > > > I'm grasping at this point for any legitimate means to > > reduce her capital gains tax. Any ideas/ Help? > In this case she is unlikely to have any basis in the land > other than the recited $1 (or $10), and that only if she can > prove that she actually paid those amounts over. > The problem here, based on the facts you presented, is that, > if we respect the contracts as such, they represent a form > of prepaid compensation for services to be rendered. > Compensation for services is, obviously, generally included > in gross income for the year in which received (for a cash > method taxpayer). > Thus, if the agreements were bona fide exchanges of real > property for services, your client should have included the > fair market value of the land, less whatever cash she > actually paid, as income. > If she had actually done so, she would then have a basis in > the land equal to the amount paid, plus the amount(s) > included in income. > Assuming that the client did not include any amounts in > income, her basis would only be the amount of cash, if any, > that she actually paid over, in this case $1 (or $10); and > then only if she can prove actual payment - such recitations > are typical in most contracts, and are frequently not > followed by actual payment of cash, so the IRS may be > inclined to ignore the recitations altogether (just to add > insult to injury, because if you're in audit on these > contracts, you've got bigger problems than having the > recited $1($10) consideration respected). > Even if you were able to prevail in having the arrangements > respected as transfers of property in prepayment of > compensation for services to be rendered, you would then > face the problem of a deficiency audit for failure to > include the amounts in income, as well as the assertion of > deficiencies against the grantors for failure to recognize > and report any of the unrealized gain that was inherent in > the property when it was transferred. > The bigger problem, however, is that the "unwritten > understanding" is not likely to be respected as a binding > agreement reflecting an arms' length transfer of property in > exchange for services. You have a transfer of property > between family members, an "unwritten understanding" that > services would be provided that are indistinguishable from > the services a family member would ordinarily be expected to > provide voluntarily out of family sentiment or generosity > rather than in exchange for full payment, and, overall, an > arrangement that looks exactly like one generation > transferring property to the natural objects of its bounty > and affection - the younger generation. > What you have here is, more likely than not, a gift for > federal tax purposes - that is how the IRS and the courts > are almost certainly going to characterize the transactions. > With respect to property transferred to your client directly > from her father, that transfer is almost certainly going to > be treated as a gift. With respect to property transferred > to your client from other relatives, depending on their > relationship to the client's father, and how each relative > acquired the property in question, those transfers are also > likely to be treated as gifts. > Further, even if your client actually paid the recited $1 > (or $10), that will not prevent the transaction from being > treated as a gift, instead, there will be a sale of $1's > worth, and a gift of the remaining fair market value of the > property at the time of transfer. > Your best hope at this point would be to see if there were > any way to treat the original transfers as gifts fitting > under the annual exclusion amount that applied for the year > in which the transfer was made. In that case, no gift tax > was due and no return had to be filed, so you would avoid > deficiencies for unpaid gift tax. > Beyond that, there is the possibility of the IRS asserting > deficiencies for unpaid gift tax. If any of the original > transferors is still alive, they might be able to file a > gift tax return and claim a portion of their lifetime > gift/estate exclusion amount against that part of the > original FMV of the property that exceeded the annual > exclusion amount, in which case there would only be > penalties for failure to timely file the gift tax return. > With respect to any transferor who is now deceased, any gift > tax deficiency would most likely be asserted against your > client, the donee (donees are secondarily liable for unpaid > gift tax). > At this point, you should probably develop the facts, going > back to the original transfers, on the assumption that these > were gifts and that there may be gift tax deficiencies, plus > penalties and interest, that may need to be faced. main tract of land & timber best is maybe $1,000. Few generations back was purchased for "about $10 per acre" & unfortunately always passed on for $1.00 rather than allowing it to be inherited and stepped up to then current market value. Of course it's also likely that they have previously harvested timber for sale with no tax reporting, etc. Now they think that I'm the BAD guy for "causing them to owe taxes". Guess that comes with the hat. Thanks << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| - quote - > Anyone have good cites/authority(ies) for attributing some
In this case she is unlikely to have any basis in the land> value to "good & valuable consideration" on land sales? > I have a TP who acquired serveral tracts of land with timber > from father and other relatives ten or more years ago. The > Warranty Deeds reflect that ..in consideration of One (or > 10) Dollar(s) and other good and valuable consideration ... > the land was transferred to TP. The unwritten understanding > was that she would continue to care for her aged father until > he died, which she did for more than 9 years after the > sale/transfer. > Not really a gift and his basis was very little. > In 2006 TP sold timber on these lands for about $40,000. > We are hoping to legitimately establish basis of more than > the One Dollar or 10 Dollars reflected on the warranty > deeds for these properties. > I'm grasping at this point for any legitimate means to > reduce her capital gains tax. Any ideas/ Help? other than the recited $1 (or $10), and that only if she can prove that she actually paid those amounts over. The problem here, based on the facts you presented, is that, if we respect the contracts as such, they represent a form of prepaid compensation for services to be rendered. Compensation for services is, obviously, generally included in gross income for the year in which received (for a cash method taxpayer). Thus, if the agreements were bona fide exchanges of real property for services, your client should have included the fair market value of the land, less whatever cash she actually paid, as income. If she had actually done so, she would then have a basis in the land equal to the amount paid, plus the amount(s) included in income. Assuming that the client did not include any amounts in income, her basis would only be the amount of cash, if any, that she actually paid over, in this case $1 (or $10); and then only if she can prove actual payment - such recitations are typical in most contracts, and are frequently not followed by actual payment of cash, so the IRS may be inclined to ignore the recitations altogether (just to add insult to injury, because if you're in audit on these contracts, you've got bigger problems than having the recited $1($10) consideration respected). Even if you were able to prevail in having the arrangements respected as transfers of property in prepayment of compensation for services to be rendered, you would then face the problem of a deficiency audit for failure to include the amounts in income, as well as the assertion of deficiencies against the grantors for failure to recognize and report any of the unrealized gain that was inherent in the property when it was transferred. The bigger problem, however, is that the "unwritten understanding" is not likely to be respected as a binding agreement reflecting an arms' length transfer of property in exchange for services. You have a transfer of property between family members, an "unwritten understanding" that services would be provided that are indistinguishable from the services a family member would ordinarily be expected to provide voluntarily out of family sentiment or generosity rather than in exchange for full payment, and, overall, an arrangement that looks exactly like one generation transferring property to the natural objects of its bounty and affection - the younger generation. What you have here is, more likely than not, a gift for federal tax purposes - that is how the IRS and the courts are almost certainly going to characterize the transactions. With respect to property transferred to your client directly from her father, that transfer is almost certainly going to be treated as a gift. With respect to property transferred to your client from other relatives, depending on their relationship to the client's father, and how each relative acquired the property in question, those transfers are also likely to be treated as gifts. Further, even if your client actually paid the recited $1 (or $10), that will not prevent the transaction from being treated as a gift, instead, there will be a sale of $1's worth, and a gift of the remaining fair market value of the property at the time of transfer. Your best hope at this point would be to see if there were any way to treat the original transfers as gifts fitting under the annual exclusion amount that applied for the year in which the transfer was made. In that case, no gift tax was due and no return had to be filed, so you would avoid deficiencies for unpaid gift tax. Beyond that, there is the possibility of the IRS asserting deficiencies for unpaid gift tax. If any of the original transferors is still alive, they might be able to file a gift tax return and claim a portion of their lifetime gift/estate exclusion amount against that part of the original FMV of the property that exceeded the annual exclusion amount, in which case there would only be penalties for failure to timely file the gift tax return. With respect to any transferor who is now deceased, any gift tax deficiency would most likely be asserted against your client, the donee (donees are secondarily liable for unpaid gift tax). At this point, you should probably develop the facts, going back to the original transfers, on the assumption that these were gifts and that there may be gift tax deficiencies, plus penalties and interest, that may need to be faced. << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| Anyone have good cites/authority(ies) for attributing some value to "good & valuable consideration" on land sales? I have a TP who acquired serveral tracts of land with timber from father and other relatives ten or more years ago. The Warranty Deeds reflect that ...in consideration of One (or 10) Dollar(s) and other good and valuable consideration ... the land was transferred to TP. The unwritten understanding was that she would continue to care for her aged father until he died, which she did for more than 9 years after the sale/transfer. Not really a gift and his basis was very little. In 2006 TP sold timber on these lands for about $40,000. We are hoping to legitimately establish basis of more than the One Dollar or 10 Dollars reflected on the warranty deeds for these properties. I'm grasping at this point for any legitimate means to reduce her capital gains tax. Any ideas/ Help? Thanks! << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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