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| rivateuly[at]gmail.com wrote: - quote - > Thank you so much for your replies. Just to clarify, this
I can't tell you how to account for this since I operate as> is a partnership between me and my wife. The credit cards > used for business are personal credit cards. However, I > normally segregate the business portion and pay it directly > from the business account. I suppose I could make the > credit goes to the partners' capital accounts, however I > have been crediting the cash account directly. > > Or you could treat it as a short term partner loan, and > > therefore as a payable if to be paid within a short time. > If I were to do this, this short-term loan would fall under > liabilities in my balance sheet, right? My question is > whether it's okay to have such liabilities in our balance > sheet (for tax-return purpose) given that we file under > cash-accounting basis. a C Corp and I'm also not a tax pro. However my C Corp also operates on a cash basis and on the recommendation of my account stop using my corporate credit card a couple of days before the end of our tax year (Dec 31) and pay any outstanding balance on the cards on December 31. -- Vic Roberts Replace xxx with vdr in e-mail address. << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| Thank you so much for your replies. Just to clarify, this is a partnership between me and my wife. The credit cards used for business are personal credit cards. However, I normally segregate the business portion and pay it directly from the business account. I suppose I could make the credit goes to the partners' capital accounts, however I have been crediting the cash account directly. - quote - > Or you could treat it as a short term partner loan, and
If I were to do this, this short-term loan would fall under> therefore as a payable if to be paid within a short time. liabilities in my balance sheet, right? My question is whether it's okay to have such liabilities in our balance sheet (for tax-return purpose) given that we file under cash-accounting basis. Thank you again. Sincerely, Uly << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| - quote - > > You don't have any accounts payable. You paid the bill by
Not at all.> > charging it through a third-party (your credit card). When > > you pay the credit card bill is irrelevant and has nothing > > to do with your business finances. > Hi Herb, thanks for the answer but I still don't understand > how I can get my balance sheet to balance if I don't have > account payable. > Say I have $100 expense charged to my credit card on Dec 30, > 2006. So I include this expense for 2006 which would reduce > our P/L, which in turn reduces retained earnings, which in > turn reduces our capital account. So I need a corresponding > entry to make our Balance Sheet balance. Since we don't pay > this expense until Jan 07, as of Dec 31 2006, our cash > balance doesn't yet reflect this expense. So, we balance > our book by having a liability account. > Is my logic incorrect? However, you speak of filing a 1065 which is a partnership return, meaning two or more partners. First, does the partnership have a separate credit card in just it's name? I doubt it. Which leaves you as a partner having the expense charged to your card. The partnership therefore owe you personally for what was charged. It's bookkeeping entry is a debit to expense(s) and a credit to your capital account. Similarly if your partner also used his card. Or you could treat it as a short term partner loan, and therefore as a payable if to be paid within a short time. ChEAr$, Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| - quote - > You don't have any accounts payable. You paid the bill by
Hi Herb, thanks for the answer but I still don't understand> charging it through a third-party (your credit card). When > you pay the credit card bill is irrelevant and has nothing > to do with your business finances. how I can get my balance sheet to balance if I don't have account payable. Say I have $100 expense charged to my credit card on Dec 30, 2006. So I include this expense for 2006 which would reduce our P/L, which in turn reduces retained earnings, which in turn reduces our capital account. So I need a corresponding entry to make our Balance Sheet balance. Since we don't pay this expense until Jan 07, as of Dec 31 2006, our cash balance doesn't yet reflect this expense. So, we balance our book by having a liability account. Is my logic incorrect? Regards, Uly << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| Herb Smith wrote: - quote - > private...[at]gmail.com wrote:
In that case then, what entry will you make on the books?> > We are filing our 1065 on cash basis and as I understand it, > > we deduct credit card expenses =A0based on the year they are > > charged, not the year they are paid. > > > My question is, since we incur expenses in Dec 2006 that we > > didn't pay till Jan 2007, do we now have an account payable > > in our balance sheet (schedule L) for the 2006 tax return? > > Would this be a problem given that we are filing on cash > > basis? Does this raise a flag with the IRS? =A0TurboTax warns > > that it is unusual for cash-basis filing to have any > > accounts payable. > You don't have any accounts payable. You paid the bill by > charging it through a third-party (your credit card). When > you pay the credit card bill is irrelevant and has nothing > to do with your business finances. The debit(s) will be to expense(s); and the credit to........ ?? ChEAr$, Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| private...[at]gmail.com wrote: - quote - > We are filing our 1065 on cash basis and as I understand it,
You don't have any accounts payable. You paid the bill by> we deduct credit card expenses =A0based on the year they are > charged, not the year they are paid. > My question is, since we incur expenses in Dec 2006 that we > didn't pay till Jan 2007, do we now have an account payable > in our balance sheet (schedule L) for the 2006 tax return? > Would this be a problem given that we are filing on cash > basis? Does this raise a flag with the IRS? =A0TurboTax warns > that it is unusual for cash-basis filing to have any > accounts payable. charging it through a third-party (your credit card). When you pay the credit card bill is irrelevant and has nothing to do with your business finances. << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| We are filing our 1065 on cash basis and as I understand it, we deduct credit card expenses based on the year they are charged, not the year they are paid. My question is, since we incur expenses in Dec 2006 that we didn't pay till Jan 2007, do we now have an account payable in our balance sheet (schedule L) for the 2006 tax return? Would this be a problem given that we are filing on cash basis? Does this raise a flag with the IRS? TurboTax warns that it is unusual for cash-basis filing to have any accounts payable. Thank you much. Uly << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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