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| "aemeijers" <aemeij...[at]att.net> wrote: - quote - > Thanks, Brownie, Bono. No, that wasn't it- I had the right
Look at form 3115, which allows you to change accounting> data input, and was specifying the class of property > correctly. I was wondering about if they used some > alternative formula rather than the tables of what > percentages per year. One of the instruction pages mentioned > that as an alternative, but I didn't understand it. > Anyway, it turned out to be none of that, but rather my own > lack of education, and the badly written IRS instructions > and guide books. How is someone who has never taken an > accounting course supposed to know that 'straight line' > depreciation means you multiply the factor by the <original> value each year, not the running depreciated value? Silly > me. Once I drilled around in TT enough to figure out how to > dump a table of the calculations, and saw the same > subtracted amount each year, the light bulb went off. My > 13-year-old spreadsheet was accurate, just structured on an > incorrect assumption. Would it have killed IRS to put an > example table in the instructions for form 4652? I'm far > from a math idiot- made it through college calc, and do cost > studies at work all the time. This is simply a concept that > civilians almost never have to deal with out in the real > world. > So, my federal taxes since 1993 are inaccurate. Since I > overpaid, not underpaid, I assume they won't be coming after > me? I do understand that when I sell the place, even if I am > not at the end of the depreciation schedule, I need to add > back the allowable depreciation (iow, what I SHOULD have > claimed), not what I did claim, when I figure out the > capital gains thing. > I guess I could file an amended for the most recent three > years, but given that it would be unlikely to make a lot of > difference in the total tax obligation, it probably isn't > worth the hassle. (The rental house in question is closer to > a shack than a castle.) > aem sends, poorer but wiser.... systems, and you may be able to claim all that lost depreciation this year instead of amending previous years. << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| Thanks, Brownie, Bono. No, that wasn't it- I had the right data input, and was specifying the class of property correctly. I was wondering about if they used some alternative formula rather than the tables of what percentages per year. One of the instruction pages mentioned that as an alternative, but I didn't understand it. Anyway, it turned out to be none of that, but rather my own lack of education, and the badly written IRS instructions and guide books. How is someone who has never taken an accounting course supposed to know that 'straight line' depreciation means you multiply the factor by the <originalvalue each year, not the running depreciated value? Silly me. Once I drilled around in TT enough to figure out how to dump a table of the calculations, and saw the same subtracted amount each year, the light bulb went off. My 13-year-old spreadsheet was accurate, just structured on an incorrect assumption. Would it have killed IRS to put an example table in the instructions for form 4652? I'm far from a math idiot- made it through college calc, and do cost studies at work all the time. This is simply a concept that civilians almost never have to deal with out in the real world. So, my federal taxes since 1993 are inaccurate. Since I overpaid, not underpaid, I assume they won't be coming after me? I do understand that when I sell the place, even if I am not at the end of the depreciation schedule, I need to add back the allowable depreciation (iow, what I SHOULD have claimed), not what I did claim, when I figure out the capital gains thing. I guess I could file an amended for the most recent three years, but given that it would be unlikely to make a lot of difference in the total tax obligation, it probably isn't worth the hassle. (The rental house in question is closer to a shack than a castle.) aem sends, poorer but wiser.... << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| "aemeijers" <aemeij...[at]att.net> wrote: - quote - > Anybody out there familiar with how TurboTax calculates
I am absolutely sure that if you give us the numbers that> rental property depreciation? I splurged this year, and > bought software instead of struggling through it by hand. > However, when it got to the part about the depreciation > allowance for the original purchase, as well as the seperate > deprecation schedule for the addition and remodeling, TT > claimed the allowances I claimed in previous years totaled > several thousand dollars less than they should have. I went > back and checked my math, and the percentages that form 4562 > and publication 946 say to use, and can't find where I made > any error. Even if I override and correct TT's assumed > number for previous years' totals, it figures this year the > way it wants to, to 'catch me up', apparently. > In a quandry here- do I keep on using the spreadsheet of > figures I have been using, or accept what the software > offers? If I get audited, can I blame the software? > Any advice greatly appreciated- so far this software hasn't > made things any less painful. you're using and the calculation that you're making and the percentage that your software is using and the date that the property was placed in service we will be able to *completely* analyze and probably locate and explain the difference between your result and the software's result. "Why is my answer different from the software's answer" is really tough question to answer! << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| "aemeijers" <aemeij...[at]att.net> wrote: - quote - > Anybody out there familiar with how TurboTax calculates
Residential real property is depreciated over a shorter> rental property depreciation? I splurged this year, and > bought software instead of struggling through it by hand. > However, when it got to the part about the depreciation > allowance for the original purchase, as well as the seperate > deprecation schedule for the addition and remodeling, TT > claimed the allowances I claimed in previous years totaled > several thousand dollars less than they should have. I went > back and checked my math, and the percentages that form 4562 > and publication 946 say to use, and can't find where I made > any error. Even if I override and correct TT's assumed > number for previous years' totals, it figures this year the > way it wants to, to 'catch me up', apparently. > In a quandry here- do I keep on using the spreadsheet of > figures I have been using, or accept what the software > offers? If I get audited, can I blame the software? > Any advice greatly appreciated- so far this software hasn't > made things any less painful. period of time than non-residential. Is TT interpreting the correct type of property you are depreciating? If you have non-residential and TT thinks it is residential, then the depreciation will be quicker and yearly depreciation amounts will be higher. << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| "aemeijers" <aemeij...[at]att.net> wrote: - quote - > Anybody out there familiar with how TurboTax calculates
TurboTax, as all software programs, calculates the> rental property depreciation? I splurged this year, and > bought software instead of struggling through it by hand. > However, when it got to the part about the depreciation > allowance for the original purchase, as well as the seperate > deprecation schedule for the addition and remodeling, TT > claimed the allowances I claimed in previous years totaled > several thousand dollars less than they should have. I went > back and checked my math, and the percentages that form 4562 > and publication 946 say to use, and can't find where I made > any error. Even if I override and correct TT's assumed > number for previous years' totals, it figures this year the > way it wants to, to 'catch me up', apparently. > In a quandry here- do I keep on using the spreadsheet of > figures I have been using, or accept what the software > offers? If I get audited, can I blame the software? > Any advice greatly appreciated- so far this software hasn't > made things any less painful. depreciation based on what you tell it regarding when the asset was placed in service, what the class life of the asset is, what convention is being used to depreciate it, and whether any bonus depreciation was taken. Depending on how you input the above data, it will affect the total amount of depreciation calculated. So either you did something wrong in your calculations (e.g. used half-year instead of mid-quarter for assets placed in service late in the year) or input data incorrectly into TurboTax. << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| Anybody out there familiar with how TurboTax calculates rental property depreciation? I splurged this year, and bought software instead of struggling through it by hand. However, when it got to the part about the depreciation allowance for the original purchase, as well as the seperate deprecation schedule for the addition and remodeling, TT claimed the allowances I claimed in previous years totaled several thousand dollars less than they should have. I went back and checked my math, and the percentages that form 4562 and publication 946 say to use, and can't find where I made any error. Even if I override and correct TT's assumed number for previous years' totals, it figures this year the way it wants to, to 'catch me up', apparently. In a quandry here- do I keep on using the spreadsheet of figures I have been using, or accept what the software offers? If I get audited, can I blame the software? Any advice greatly appreciated- so far this software hasn't made things any less painful. aemeijers[at]att.net << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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