Go Back   CDN Business Directory > Main Category > Taxes

 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #4  
Old 03-26-2007, 03:35 PM
Benjamin Yazersky CPA
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Self Employment tax calculation on joint return

<privateuly[at]gmail.com> wrote:

- quote -

> My wife and I (filing jointly) started an LLC (50-50
> members) in 2005. That year, the LLC had a loss of $7000.
> In the same year, my wife had earned $5000 doing some
> consulting work.
> I am now reviewing the 2005 return that our (ex-) accountant
> did, and I realized that in calculating the Self-Employment
> tax, he had calculated as the income the $5000 consulting
> income minus half of the loss from the LLC ($3500), giving
> an income basis of $1500. In other words, he had ignored my
> share of the LLC loss eventhough my wife and I filed
> jointly.
> Is this right? Should we have been entitled to deduct the
> full amount of LLC loss which would give us 0 income basis
> for the purpose of the self-employment tax calculation?


on the surface, the 2005 seems correct
se tax is on an individual, not both h&w

___________________________________
<<< Benjamin Yazersky, CPA [NJ & NY] > > -----> real address on hobokeni or hobokenx <-----

<< ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== >
  #3  
Old 03-26-2007, 03:35 PM
DORFMONT@aol.com (Linda Dorfmont)
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Self Employment tax calculation on joint return

private...[at]gmail.com wrote:

- quote -

> My wife and I (filing jointly) started an LLC (50-50
> members) in 2005. That year, the LLC had a loss of $7000.
> In the same year, my wife had earned $5000 doing some
> consulting work.
> I am now reviewing the 2005 return that our (ex-) accountant
> did, and I realized that in calculating the Self-Employment
> tax, he had calculated as the income the $5000 consulting
> income minus half of the loss from the LLC ($3500), giving
> an income basis of $1500. In other words, he had ignored my
> share of the LLC loss eventhough my wife and I filed
> jointly.
> Is this right? Should we have been entitled to deduct the
> full amount of LLC loss which would give us 0 income basis
> for the purpose of the self-employment tax calculation?


Because you and your wife are 2 separate people with your
own individual Social Security accounts, wardrobes, favorite
foods, etc., you get 2 separate Schedule SEs, one for each
of you. Self employment tax is figured for each self
separately and then added together on the joint tax return.
Your ex-accountant did it right. He just didn't explain it
to you, or did you ask him?

Linda Dorfmont E.A., CFP, CSA

<< ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== >
  #2  
Old 03-26-2007, 03:35 PM
Rod
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Self Employment tax calculation on joint return

<privateuly[at]gmail.com> wrote:

- quote -

> My wife and I (filing jointly) started an LLC (50-50
> members) in 2005. That year, the LLC had a loss of $7000.
> In the same year, my wife had earned $5000 doing some
> consulting work.
> I am now reviewing the 2005 return that our (ex-) accountant
> did, and I realized that in calculating the Self-Employment
> tax, he had calculated as the income the $5000 consulting
> income minus half of the loss from the LLC ($3500), giving
> an income basis of $1500. In other words, he had ignored my
> share of the LLC loss eventhough my wife and I filed
> jointly.
> Is this right? Should we have been entitled to deduct the
> full amount of LLC loss which would give us 0 income basis
> for the purpose of the self-employment tax calculation?


SE is person specific
he was right

<< ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== >
  #1  
Old 03-26-2007, 03:35 PM
Mark Bole
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Self Employment tax calculation on joint return

privateuly[at]gmail.com wrote:

- quote -

> My wife and I (filing jointly) started an LLC (50-50
> members) in 2005. That year, the LLC had a loss of $7000.
> In the same year, my wife had earned $5000 doing some
> consulting work.
> I am now reviewing the 2005 return that our (ex-) accountant
> did, and I realized that in calculating the Self-Employment
> tax, he had calculated as the income the $5000 consulting
> income minus half of the loss from the LLC ($3500), giving
> an income basis of $1500. In other words, he had ignored my
> share of the LLC loss eventhough my wife and I filed
> jointly.
> Is this right? Should we have been entitled to deduct the
> full amount of LLC loss which would give us 0 income basis
> for the purpose of the self-employment tax calculation?


Yes, that is right, self-employment tax is never "joint",
even on a joint return (same for wage earners -- even if one
reaches the max income for Soc Sec, the other is still
taxable). You had no earned income from business activity
subject to self-employment tax, however your spouse did.

This would be more clear if done correctly: in a
non-community property state, you and your wife would be
considered partners and should be filing a partnership
return, in a community property state you are each allowed
to file your own Schedule(s) C if you jointly operate a
business(es). Either way, the self-employment tax would be
individually calculated for each of you.

-Mark Bole

<< ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== >
 
Old 03-26-2007, 03:35 PM
Frederick Lorca
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Self Employment tax calculation on joint return

- quote -

> I am now reviewing the 2005 return that our (ex-) accountant
> did, and I realized that in calculating the Self-Employment
> tax, he had calculated as the income the $5000 consulting
> income minus half of the loss from the LLC ($3500), giving
> an income basis of $1500. In other words, he had ignored my
> share of the LLC loss eventhough my wife and I filed
> jointly.
> Is this right?


Yes.

- quote -

> Should we have been entitled to deduct the full amount of
> LLC loss which would give us 0 income basis for the
> purpose of the self-employment tax calculation?


The full loss is deductible against your joint income for
income tax purposes. For SE tax purposes, each respective
spouse's loss is used to determine his and her net SE income
for SE tax purposes.

Frederick Lorca

<< ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== >
  #-1  
Old 03-25-2007, 04:26 PM
privateuly@gmail.com
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Self Employment tax calculation on joint return

My wife and I (filing jointly) started an LLC (50-50
members) in 2005. That year, the LLC had a loss of $7000.
In the same year, my wife had earned $5000 doing some
consulting work.

I am now reviewing the 2005 return that our (ex-) accountant
did, and I realized that in calculating the Self-Employment
tax, he had calculated as the income the $5000 consulting
income minus half of the loss from the LLC ($3500), giving
an income basis of $1500. In other words, he had ignored my
share of the LLC loss eventhough my wife and I filed
jointly.

Is this right? Should we have been entitled to deduct the
full amount of LLC loss which would give us 0 income basis
for the purpose of the self-employment tax calculation?

Thanks in advance!

Uly

<< ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== >
 

Tags
calculation, employment, joint, return, tax
Similar Threads
Thread Forum Replies Last Post
Total Return Calculation
Jeff M: I've been looking at my end of year returns using Money 2007 and am trying to understand the numbers. I read in other posts in this group that...
Microsoft Money 2 01-03-2007 12:38 PM
How can I file a joint tax return?
robert@elastica.com: My lawyer who is processing my wifes green card application has requested that I file my taxes a married filing jointly this year but I would like...
Taxes 6 01-10-2005 02:01 AM
How to file 1040 joint return with UK source income?
Pete Bauer: I have only US source income for this tax year. My wife has income in the UK for the last 3 months of the year and no income for the other...
Taxes 2 10-30-2003 03:02 PM
SEP Retirement for Married filing Joint return
: My wife is self employed and has a SEP plan for herself which she established before we were married. I recently started my own Schedule C business...
Taxes 1 10-03-2003 05:36 AM



Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

All times are GMT. The time now is 03:56 PM.