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| "rlsusenet[at]NOSPAMPUHLEEZschnapp.org" wrote: - quote - > Hmmm... So answering the question /isn't/ as simple as I
Constructive receipt is a fiction created to allow taxation> had thought. I also considered that "constructive receipt" > might be an issue. I actually have a copy of the deposit > slip I sent to the bank, which tends to prove that I DID > receive the check in 2006. of money you could have received during the tax year but didn't due to your own actions. Here you actually received the check and deposited it. So constructive receipt shouldn't play a part. - quote - > My slight preference is for reporting the income in 2007,
I think that would be fine - that's the year you actually> since the bank records will reflect the state of the > situation, so I wouldn't have to remember that the extra > deposit has already been accounted for. received the funds, despite all your efforts to receive it in 2006. Stu << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| GrandMarquis99 wrote: - quote - > an_ordinary_guy_...[at]hotmail.com (Bill) wrote:
Hmmm... So answering the question /isn't/ as simple as I> > NoSuchPer...[at]bigfoot.com posted: > > > On reviewing my banking records for 2006 > > > while preparing my taxes, I noticed that one of > > > my tenant's rent checks never actually showed > > > up in the account (I manage that account by > > > mail, and failed to notice the absence of a > > > deposit confirmation -- THAT won't happen > > > again!). > > > I asked the tenant for a copy of the cleared > > > check, and he admitted that he had never > > > received one. He immediately provided a > > > replacement check. > > > So here's the question: Do I record that rental > > > income as having been received in 2006 > > > (when the tenant issued the check that got lost > > > and was never cashed) or in 2007 (when the > > > replacement check was issued and cleared)? > > > I'm guessing that it's 2007 rental income -- not > > > 2006. Any opinions? > > Assuming your rental business is operating on a calendar > > year (most common), you report the income in the year you > > actually receive the cash. So, yes, it would be 2007, in > > this instance. > As intuitive as it may seem, unfortunately the answer is > that you received the rent payment in 2006 when you received > the original check; the fact that it did not clear the bank > (i.e., that it somehow got lost after you received it) in > 2006 is not enough to treat the amount as not received until > the tenant issued a replacement check in 2007. See, e.g., > Walter v. U.S., 148 F.3d 1027 (8th Cir 1998). > If you could prove that the tenant never sent the check, or > that you never received the check (it's almost impossible to > prove a negative, however), you would be able to defeat > constructive receipt. However, since from the facts it > appears to be the case that the tenant actually did send, > and you did receive, the original check, you were in > constructive receipt of the income represented by that check > in 2006, and should report it as such. had thought. I also considered that "constructive receipt" might be an issue. I actually have a copy of the deposit slip I sent to the bank, which tends to prove that I DID receive the check in 2006. I sort of doubt that the IRS is ever likely to look into this, and as it happens, it probably doesn't affect my 2006 refund/payment. In fact, it probably won't affect my 2007 refund/payment, either. This is more a question of which way to report the matter is more accurate. My slight preference is for reporting the income in 2007, since the bank records will reflect the state of the situation, so I wouldn't have to remember that the extra deposit has already been accounted for. Thanks for the opinions, folks. I'm leaning toward taking GrandMarquis99's advice, i.e., "constructive receipt" in 2006. << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| <NoSuchPer...[at]bigfoot.com> wrote: - quote - > On reviewing my banking records for 2006 while preparing my
"He immediately provided a replacement check."> taxes, I noticed that one of my tenant's rent checks never > actually showed up in the account (I manage that account by > mail, and failed to notice the absence of a deposit > confirmation -- THAT won't happen again!). > I asked the tenant for a copy of the cleared check, and he > admitted that he had never received one. =A0He immediately > provided a replacement check. > So here's the question: =A0Do I record that rental income as > having been received in 2006 (when the tenant issued the > check that got lost and was never cashed) or in 2007 (when > the replacement check was issued and cleared)? > I'm guessing that it's 2007 rental income -- not 2006. Any > opinions? I was tempted to say "What a good tenant" but then I changed it to "What an okay tenant." A really good tenant would let you know promptly that his check had not cleared and *then* replace it. << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| - quote - > > So here's the question: Do I record that rental income as
If the tenant actually issued the check in 2006, and he> > having been received in 2006 (when the tenant issued the > > check that got lost and was never cashed) or in 2007 (when > > the replacement check was issued and cleared)? > If you are a cash taxpayer, which most of us are, you report > income when you receive it. In this case it is 2007. received it then, it's 2006 income (you can't defer income merely by not cashing a check, or even by losing it; there's still contructive receipt). However, if the tenant forgot to send it and he didn't notice until this year, he never had the check in 2006, and it's 2007 income. Seth << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| "GrandMarquis99" <GrandMarquis99[at]gmail.com> wrote: - quote - > As intuitive as it may seem, unfortunately the answer is
That was my reaction too. But it also seems to me that the> that you received the rent payment in 2006 when you received > the original check; the fact that it did not clear the bank > (i.e., that it somehow got lost after you received it) in > 2006 is not enough to treat the amount as not received until > the tenant issued a replacement check in 2007. See, e.g., > Walter v. U.S., 148 F.3d 1027 (8th Cir 1998). > If you could prove that the tenant never sent the check, or > that you never received the check (it's almost impossible to > prove a negative, however), you would be able to defeat > constructive receipt. However, since from the facts it > appears to be the case that the tenant actually did send, > and you did receive, the original check, you were in > constructive receipt of the income represented by that check > in 2006, and should report it as such. OP is entitled to an offsetting deduction for 2006 when it turned out the check never made it into his account. In that case he would also take it into income in 2007. Stu << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| Harlan Lunsford <hnslunsford[at]bellsouth.net> wrote: - quote - > rlsusenet[at]NOSPAMPUHLEEZschnapp.org wrote:
Most interesting. So far 3 tax professionals say 2007 and 1> > On reviewing my banking records for 2006 while preparing my > > taxes, I noticed that one of my tenant's rent checks never > > actually showed up in the account (I manage that account by > > mail, and failed to notice the absence of a deposit > > confirmation -- THAT won't happen again!). > > > I asked the tenant for a copy of the cleared check, and he > > admitted that he had never received one. He immediately > > provided a replacement check. > > > So here's the question: Do I record that rental income as > > having been received in 2006 (when the tenant issued the > > check that got lost and was never cashed) or in 2007 (when > > the replacement check was issued and cleared)? > > > I'm guessing that it's 2007 rental income -- not 2006. Any > > opinions? > I'll vote for 2007. says 2006. No wonder we laypersons get confused. I tend to go along with the 2006, however. A check is a negotiable instrument. It has been discussed here before that if you receive a check in December but hold on to it and don't cash it until January, you still must count it for the tax year received. You can't shift income from one year to the next simply by failing to cash the check. I don't see much difference in this. There is no argument by the OP that the check was in fact received in 2006. Just because the check was then subsequently lost shouldn't shift the income to the next year anymore then if the OP intentionally destroyed the check and then claimed it to be lost as a method to shift income to the next year. If losing the check was the test then I could shift a lot of my income to the next (better tax advantage) year just by selectively 'losing' checks and asking the insurer for a new check in the new year. -- -Ernie- << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| "rlsuse...[at]NOSPAMPUHLEEZschnapp.org" wrote: - quote - > On reviewing my banking records for 2006 while preparing my
If you are a cash taxpayer, which most of us are, you report> taxes, I noticed that one of my tenant's rent checks never > actually showed up in the account (I manage that account by > mail, and failed to notice the absence of a deposit > confirmation -- THAT won't happen again!). > I asked the tenant for a copy of the cleared check, and he > admitted that he had never received one. He immediately > provided a replacement check. > So here's the question: Do I record that rental income as > having been received in 2006 (when the tenant issued the > check that got lost and was never cashed) or in 2007 (when > the replacement check was issued and cleared)? > I'm guessing that it's 2007 rental income -- not 2006. Any > opinions? income when you receive it. In this case it is 2007. Missy Doyle << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| an_ordinary_guy_...[at]hotmail.com (Bill) wrote: - quote - > NoSuchPer...[at]bigfoot.com posted:
As intuitive as it may seem, unfortunately the answer is> > On reviewing my banking records for 2006 > > while preparing my taxes, I noticed that one of > > my tenant's rent checks never actually showed > > up in the account (I manage that account by > > mail, and failed to notice the absence of a > > deposit confirmation -- THAT won't happen > > again!). > > I asked the tenant for a copy of the cleared > > check, and he admitted that he had never > > received one. He immediately provided a > > replacement check. > > So here's the question: Do I record that rental > > income as having been received in 2006 > > (when the tenant issued the check that got lost > > and was never cashed) or in 2007 (when the > > replacement check was issued and cleared)? > > I'm guessing that it's 2007 rental income -- not > > 2006. Any opinions? > Assuming your rental business is operating on a calendar > year (most common), you report the income in the year you > actually receive the cash. So, yes, it would be 2007, in > this instance. that you received the rent payment in 2006 when you received the original check; the fact that it did not clear the bank (i.e., that it somehow got lost after you received it) in 2006 is not enough to treat the amount as not received until the tenant issued a replacement check in 2007. See, e.g., Walter v. U.S., 148 F.3d 1027 (8th Cir 1998). If you could prove that the tenant never sent the check, or that you never received the check (it's almost impossible to prove a negative, however), you would be able to defeat constructive receipt. However, since from the facts it appears to be the case that the tenant actually did send, and you did receive, the original check, you were in constructive receipt of the income represented by that check in 2006, and should report it as such. << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| rlsusenet[at]NOSPAMPUHLEEZschnapp.org wrote: - quote - > On reviewing my banking records for 2006 while preparing my
By the way, I use cash accounting for this activity.> taxes, I noticed that one of my tenant's rent checks never > actually showed up in the account (I manage that account by > mail, and failed to notice the absence of a deposit > confirmation -- THAT won't happen again!). > I asked the tenant for a copy of the cleared check, and he > admitted that he had never received one. He immediately > provided a replacement check. > So here's the question: Do I record that rental income as > having been received in 2006 (when the tenant issued the > check that got lost and was never cashed) or in 2007 (when > the replacement check was issued and cleared)? > I'm guessing that it's 2007 rental income -- not 2006. Any > opinions? << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| rlsusenet[at]NOSPAMPUHLEEZschnapp.org wrote: - quote - > On reviewing my banking records for 2006 while preparing my
If you are using accrual accounting, 2006.> taxes, I noticed that one of my tenant's rent checks never > actually showed up in the account (I manage that account by > mail, and failed to notice the absence of a deposit > confirmation -- THAT won't happen again!). > I asked the tenant for a copy of the cleared check, and he > admitted that he had never received one. He immediately > provided a replacement check. > So here's the question: Do I record that rental income as > having been received in 2006 (when the tenant issued the > check that got lost and was never cashed) or in 2007 (when > the replacement check was issued and cleared)? > I'm guessing that it's 2007 rental income -- not 2006. Any > opinions? If you are a cash-basis tax-payer, you pay taxes based on when you received the revenue. Did the tenant send the check directly to the bank? If yes, then it is 2007 income (period). If no, then if the check is NOT on your deposit slip and you did not lose the check, it is 2007 income. Otherwise it is 2006 income. Dick << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| rlsusenet[at]NOSPAMPUHLEEZschnapp.org wrote: - quote - > On reviewing my banking records for 2006 while preparing my
I'll vote for 2007.> taxes, I noticed that one of my tenant's rent checks never > actually showed up in the account (I manage that account by > mail, and failed to notice the absence of a deposit > confirmation -- THAT won't happen again!). > I asked the tenant for a copy of the cleared check, and he > admitted that he had never received one. He immediately > provided a replacement check. > So here's the question: Do I record that rental income as > having been received in 2006 (when the tenant issued the > check that got lost and was never cashed) or in 2007 (when > the replacement check was issued and cleared)? > I'm guessing that it's 2007 rental income -- not 2006. Any > opinions? ChEAr$, Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| NoSuchPerson[at]bigfoot.com posted: - quote - > On reviewing my banking records for 2006
Assuming your rental business is operating on a calendar> while preparing my taxes, I noticed that one of > my tenant's rent checks never actually showed > up in the account (I manage that account by > mail, and failed to notice the absence of a > deposit confirmation -- THAT won't happen > again!). > I asked the tenant for a copy of the cleared > check, and he admitted that he had never > received one. He immediately provided a > replacement check. > So here's the question: Do I record that rental > income as having been received in 2006 > (when the tenant issued the check that got lost > and was never cashed) or in 2007 (when the > replacement check was issued and cleared)? > I'm guessing that it's 2007 rental income -- not > 2006. Any opinions? year (most common), you report the income in the year you actually receive the cash. So, yes, it would be 2007, in this instance. Bill << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| On reviewing my banking records for 2006 while preparing my taxes, I noticed that one of my tenant's rent checks never actually showed up in the account (I manage that account by mail, and failed to notice the absence of a deposit confirmation -- THAT won't happen again!). I asked the tenant for a copy of the cleared check, and he admitted that he had never received one. He immediately provided a replacement check. So here's the question: Do I record that rental income as having been received in 2006 (when the tenant issued the check that got lost and was never cashed) or in 2007 (when the replacement check was issued and cleared)? I'm guessing that it's 2007 rental income -- not 2006. Any opinions? << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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