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| Thanks for everyone's input and logical explanations! I like what a few people said how it's not taxable until i sell the stock. I can see how it's compensation to the value of the stock and not immediate income. I've had the IRS come after me for less than $20 when I messed up my taxes, so I'm not so sure it's neglible to uncle sam! They can ge their money when I sell it though ****************************** The treatment of your recovery will depend on what it was in payment of (i.e., origin of the claim). If it was a payment to settle a claim that as a result of securities fraud you overpaid for the stock you acquired, then it is a payment for impairment of capital, and as such will go first to reduce your basis in the stock, and once that basis hits $0, be treated as capital gain. Since you still own the stock, you would simply reduce your basis in the stock. If in a prior year you had already sold the stock or had claimed a deduction for worthless stock, then you would include the amount received as capital gain. For authority, see, e.g., Dobson v. CIR, 320 US 489 (1943); Boehm v. CIR, 146 F2d 553 (2d Cir. 1945), aff'd w'out discussion, 326 US 287 (1946); see also, Arrowsmith v. CIR, 344 US 6 (1952). << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| - quote - > > > its an offset to your loss in the stock
Thanks for everyone's input and logical explanations!> > > > > so, if you sold it, the $20 recovery would be a capital gain > > I did not sell the stock (very unfortunate)....so is it > > still considered a gain? or can I just leave it off my > > taxes? > I'd consider it a reduction in basis (so not taxable now, > but reduces your capital loss or increases your capital gain > when you do sell). I like what a few people said how it's not taxable until i sell the stock. I can see how it's compensation to the value of the stock and not immediate income. I've had the IRS come after me for less than $20 when I messed up my taxes, so I'm not so sure it's neglible to uncle sam! They can ge their money when I sell it though. << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| "Andrew" <andrew[at]losset.net> wrote: - quote - > > If it was held in an IRA, the payment from the lawsuit goes
You might draw some inference from Pub 590, but I doubt> > into that IRA and tax treatment isn't relevant. > Thanks Seth - that seems logical. Do you happen to have a > pointer to an IRS pub that I can refer to that shows me > this? there's a specific reference. If you go to section 408 of the Internal Revenue Code you'll find that the IRA is a separate tax-exempt entity from its beneficiary. Thus nothing that goes on totally within the IRA affects the beneficiary's return. - quote - > I would hate to put in the $ into my (now nondeductible) IRA
If the payment is handled properly it will be made payable> and find out that I had a problem later on. to the IRA, not to you, and you won't have a choice of where to put it. -- Phil Marti Clarksburg, MD << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| Seth Breidbart wrote: - quote - > If it was held in an IRA, the payment from the lawsuit goes
Thanks Seth - that seems logical. Do you happen to have a> into that IRA and tax treatment isn't relevant. pointer to an IRS pub that I can refer to that shows me this? I would hate to put in the $ into my (now nondeductible) IRA and find out that I had a problem later on. (Of course, that's assuming I even get anything out of the class action lawsuit.) Regards - - Andrew << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| Andrew <andrew[at]losset.net> wrote: - quote - > g20zoom[at]gmail.com wrote:
If it was held in an IRA, the payment from the lawsuit goes> > What if I never sold the stock? > > Unfortunately I'm still holding it.... > Thinking out loud here; what happens if that particular > stock was held in an IRA into that IRA and tax treatment isn't relevant. - quote - > and became worthless?
It doesn't matter if it did or didn't.Seth << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| - quote - > > its an offset to your loss in the stock
I was in this situation a few times. I subtracted the amount> > > so, if you sold it, the $20 recovery would be a capital gain > I did not sell the stock (very unfortunate)....so is it > still considered a gain? or can I just leave it off my > taxes? from the basis of the shares. So my tax return will be affected when the shares are ultimately sold. My thinking was that the litigation asserted I paid too much for the shares, and the recovery is a correction of that. (Disclaimer: I'm not a tax pro.) << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| g20z...[at]gmail.com wrote: - quote - > What if I never sold the stock?
There are two issues involved.> Unfortunately I'm still holding it.... 1. Is the money you received ordinary income or a capital gain, and 2. Is the money you received a gain or a recovery on your basis in the stock. The IRS will use the "origin of the claim" test to help determine the answers to the 2 issues. So you will need to look at the original lawsuit as well as the settlement or the judgement papers to help the determination. The IRS usually will argue it is ordinary income while taxpayers will usually argue it is a long-term capital gain. However, for all practical purposes, the $20 amount is so small it won't make much of a difference on your tax return if you report it as ordinary income on Form 1040 line 21 or on Schedule D as a long-term capital gain. Rudy www.LizcanoTaxServicesLLC.com Disclaimer: The posted answer is for educational purposes only and Lizcano Tax Services, LLC and/or Rodolfo Lizcano have not been engaged to render any tax, accounting, legal, or other professional services. << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| - quote - > > its an offset to your loss in the stock
To be treated as a capital gain, the proceeds from the> > > so, if you sold it, the $20 recovery would be a capital gain > I did not sell the stock (very unfortunate)....so is it > still considered a gain? or can I just leave it off my > taxes? lawsuit (less any attorney fees) would have to be clearly and directly tied to a previous capital loss. Not knowing the exact nature of the lawsuit, the most likely answer is that the $20 is "other income" on line 21 of your form 1040, and yes you do have to report it, even though the payer was not required to send you a year-end tax form. -Mark Bole << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| <g20zoom[at]gmail.com> wrote: - quote - > What if I never sold the stock?
Then it is a return of capital, reducing your cost basis in> Unfortunately I'm still holding it.... the stock. Ira Smilovitz << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| - quote - > > its an offset to your loss in the stock
I'd consider it a reduction in basis (so not taxable now,> > > so, if you sold it, the $20 recovery would be a capital gain > I did not sell the stock (very unfortunate)....so is it > still considered a gain? or can I just leave it off my > taxes? but reduces your capital loss or increases your capital gain when you do sell). Seth << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| g20zoom[at]gmail.com wrote: - quote - > What if I never sold the stock?
Thinking out loud here; what happens if that particular> Unfortunately I'm still holding it.... stock was held in an IRA and became worthless? I owned Enron at some point and am a member (supposedly) of multiple class action lawsuits. Regards - - Andrew << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| What if I never sold the stock? Unfortunately I'm still holding it.... << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| - quote - > its an offset to your loss in the stock
I did not sell the stock (very unfortunate)....so is it> so, if you sold it, the $20 recovery would be a capital gain still considered a gain? or can I just leave it off my taxes? Thanks again << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| <g20zoom[at]gmail.com> wrote: - quote - > For my CHTR stock, I joined a class action lawsuit. In
its an offset to your loss in the stock> return, I was sent a mere $20 check a long time later. It > came in 2006. > Does anyone know where I should report this on my 1040? The > check had some stub to say it should be taxed, but I didn't > receive any end of the year form, so I'm lost where to put > it. so, if you sold it, the $20 recovery would be a capital gain ___________________________________ <<< Benjamin Yazersky, CPA [NJ & NY] > > -----> real address on hobokeni or hobokenx <----- << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| For my CHTR stock, I joined a class action lawsuit. In return, I was sent a mere $20 check a long time later. It came in 2006. Does anyone know where I should report this on my 1040? The check had some stub to say it should be taxed, but I didn't receive any end of the year form, so I'm lost where to put it. Thanks in advance! -joe << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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