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| katz....[at]gmail.com wrote: - quote - > "Paul Thomas, CPA" <paulthomascp...[at]bellsouth.net> wrote:
Travel expenses are the ordinary and necessary expenses of> > <katz....[at]gmail.com> wrote > > > I greatly appreciate the opportunity to post this here, and > > > for any insight folks might have! > > > > > I own and operate a small business (S Corporation) writing > > > grant proposals for various nonprofit groups and tax-exempt > > > entities. I live in Denver. For six weeks, I am working > > > remotely in San Diego, with a full office setup in a house > > > that I am renting. I am seriously pursuing business leads > > > this year, but for the first two weeks I was here I only had > > > time to focus on keeping up with my Denver clients. I was > > > reading the IRS' rules for travel, and guidance from non-IRS > > > publications, but since my situation is somewhat unique it > > > didn't answer my questions. > > > > > 1) On deducting mileage for my travel from Denver to San > > > Diego.... I'm not sure, but by the time I return to Denver > > > it is likely that a majority of the days I will be here I > > > will have either done work for my Denver clients, or not > > > have had any contact with potential San Diego clients. > > > > > Reading the IRS regulations, it sounded like you had to have > > > a majority of your time dedicated to out-of-town business to > > > write off transportation costs between your home city and > > > the city you are visiting. Am I reading that correctly? > > > > > 2) I met a woman the other day who could be a potential > > > client, and started to do follow-up research for her > > > organization the following day. If the research and work I > > > do the following day doesn't put me in direct contact with > > > the potential client, is that day's rent/per diem > > > deductable? In other words, on the following day I wasn't > > > in contact with them via phone or in-person, but I was doing > > > some (uncompensated) legwork on their behalf that may lead > > > to paying work. > > > > > 3) I've arranged for meetings with potential clients via > > > initial emails (an introductory email about who I am and > > > stating that I'd like to meet with them and will follow up > > > later with a phone call). Do I have to have a phone > > > conversation or meeting to trigger the per diem/ rent write > > > off? > > It's kind of unclear why you went there when you did, and > > that will determine whether all or part of the trip is > > business deductible or not. > > > What was the purpose of going when you did? > Thanks for your reply to my post! While I didn't have a > fixed schedule of meetings and business-related events in > California at this time of the year, I have been wanting to > expand and grow the business, and just decided to start > reaching out and developing new contacts right now. Is it > realistic to say that allocating six or seven weeks to build > new contacts is legitmate, and would qualify as being "on > assignment"? traveling away from your tax home for your busines, You are traveling away from your tax home if your duties require you to be away from the general area of your tax home for a period substantially longer than an ordinary day's work, and you need to get sleep or rest to meet the demands of your work while away. The "temporary assignment" you are talking about is used in making a determination if you are away from your tax home or not so as to prevent you from claiming you were traveling and had travel expenses when actually you were working in your tax home. Denver is your tax home so the travel to San Diego is deductible as long as it meets the requirements for the type of travel expense and as long as they are ordinary and necessary expenses for traveling away for your business. More info here: http://www.irs.gov/publications/p463/ch01.html Rudy www.LizcanoTaxServicesLLC.com Disclaimer: The posted answer is for educational purposes only and Lizcano Tax Services, LLC and/or Rodolfo Lizcano have not been engaged to render any tax, accounting, legal, or other professional services. << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are atwww.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| katz....[at]gmail.com wrote: - quote - > Actually I've done some more research and wanted to revise
I should also add that for the last five consecutive days I> my initial question in this thread. The same stuff I said > in the previous message applies: I own my own company doing > grant writing, I live in Denver, but relocated for six weeks > to San Diego. I am starting to seriously pursue business > leads this year (I was here last year, and had a few > contacts but didn't pursue opportunities very agressively). > For the first two weeks I was here I only had time to focus > on keeping up with my Denver clients and maintaining the > business. > MY REVISED QUESTIONS ARE: > 1) I would like to qualify as being on temporary assignment, > but I wasn't sure how much contact with prospective > clients/business leads I would need to have to meet that > criteria? I am meeting with individuals who might end up > becoming clients, but on other days it is enough to just > keep up with my existing responsibilities to the Colorado > nonprofits I work for. If I am able to take the on > assignment deduction, does that include rent costs, mileage > and a per diem (or do I have to itemize food/incidental > expenses rather than per diem?). > 2) If I have to deduct day-to-day rather than being > classified as on assignment, I have a few other questions: > a) How much contact will I need with local business > opportunities to qualify to deduct my mileage from from > Denver to San Diego.... It is likely that a majority of the > days I will be here I will have either done work for my > Denver clients, or not have had any contact with potential > San Diego clients. > b) I met a woman the other day who could be a potential > client, and started to do follow-up research for her > organization the following day. If the research and work I > do the following day doesn't put me in direct contact with > the potential client, is that day's rent/per diem > deductable? In other words, on the following day I wasn't > in contact with them via phone or in-person, but I was doing > some (uncompensated) legwork on their behalf that may lead > to paying work. > c) I've arranged for meetings with potential clients via > initial emails (an introductory email about who I am and > stating that I'd like to meet with them and will follow up > later with a phone call). Do I have to have a phone > conversation or meeting to trigger the per diem/ rent write > off? have made contacts, met with folks, arranged for meetings, and done some follow-up work with prospective clients, and I do anticipate that the rest of the way I will be doing that level of contacts with prospective clients. << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| "Paul Thomas, CPA" <paulthomascp...[at]bellsouth.net> wrote: - quote - > <katz....[at]gmail.com> wrote
Thanks for your reply to my post! While I didn't have a> > I greatly appreciate the opportunity to post this here, and > > for any insight folks might have! > > > I own and operate a small business (S Corporation) writing > > grant proposals for various nonprofit groups and tax-exempt > > entities. I live in Denver. For six weeks, I am working > > remotely in San Diego, with a full office setup in a house > > that I am renting. I am seriously pursuing business leads > > this year, but for the first two weeks I was here I only had > > time to focus on keeping up with my Denver clients. I was > > reading the IRS' rules for travel, and guidance from non-IRS > > publications, but since my situation is somewhat unique it > > didn't answer my questions. > > 1) On deducting mileage for my travel from Denver to San > > Diego.... I'm not sure, but by the time I return to Denver > > it is likely that a majority of the days I will be here I > > will have either done work for my Denver clients, or not > > have had any contact with potential San Diego clients. > > > Reading the IRS regulations, it sounded like you had to have > > a majority of your time dedicated to out-of-town business to > > write off transportation costs between your home city and > > the city you are visiting. Am I reading that correctly? > > > 2) I met a woman the other day who could be a potential > > client, and started to do follow-up research for her > > organization the following day. If the research and work I > > do the following day doesn't put me in direct contact with > > the potential client, is that day's rent/per diem > > deductable? In other words, on the following day I wasn't > > in contact with them via phone or in-person, but I was doing > > some (uncompensated) legwork on their behalf that may lead > > to paying work. > > > 3) I've arranged for meetings with potential clients via > > initial emails (an introductory email about who I am and > > stating that I'd like to meet with them and will follow up > > later with a phone call). Do I have to have a phone > > conversation or meeting to trigger the per diem/ rent write > > off? > It's kind of unclear why you went there when you did, and > that will determine whether all or part of the trip is > business deductible or not. > What was the purpose of going when you did? fixed schedule of meetings and business-related events in California at this time of the year, I have been wanting to expand and grow the business, and just decided to start reaching out and developing new contacts right now. Is it realistic to say that allocating six or seven weeks to build new contacts is legitmate, and would qualify as being "on assignment"? Jay << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| Actually I've done some more research and wanted to revise my initial question in this thread. The same stuff I said in the previous message applies: I own my own company doing grant writing, I live in Denver, but relocated for six weeks to San Diego. I am starting to seriously pursue business leads this year (I was here last year, and had a few contacts but didn't pursue opportunities very agressively). For the first two weeks I was here I only had time to focus on keeping up with my Denver clients and maintaining the business. MY REVISED QUESTIONS ARE: 1) I would like to qualify as being on temporary assignment, but I wasn't sure how much contact with prospective clients/business leads I would need to have to meet that criteria? I am meeting with individuals who might end up becoming clients, but on other days it is enough to just keep up with my existing responsibilities to the Colorado nonprofits I work for. If I am able to take the on assignment deduction, does that include rent costs, mileage and a per diem (or do I have to itemize food/incidental expenses rather than per diem?). 2) If I have to deduct day-to-day rather than being classified as on assignment, I have a few other questions: a) How much contact will I need with local business opportunities to qualify to deduct my mileage from from Denver to San Diego.... It is likely that a majority of the days I will be here I will have either done work for my Denver clients, or not have had any contact with potential San Diego clients. b) I met a woman the other day who could be a potential client, and started to do follow-up research for her organization the following day. If the research and work I do the following day doesn't put me in direct contact with the potential client, is that day's rent/per diem deductable? In other words, on the following day I wasn't in contact with them via phone or in-person, but I was doing some (uncompensated) legwork on their behalf that may lead to paying work. c) I've arranged for meetings with potential clients via initial emails (an introductory email about who I am and stating that I'd like to meet with them and will follow up later with a phone call). Do I have to have a phone conversation or meeting to trigger the per diem/ rent write off? Thank you very much for giving me some insight on this - I'm very eager to learn what is allowable! << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| <katz.jay[at]gmail.com> wrote - quote - > I greatly appreciate the opportunity to post this here, and
It's kind of unclear why you went there when you did, and> for any insight folks might have! > I own and operate a small business (S Corporation) writing > grant proposals for various nonprofit groups and tax-exempt > entities. I live in Denver. For six weeks, I am working > remotely in San Diego, with a full office setup in a house > that I am renting. I am seriously pursuing business leads > this year, but for the first two weeks I was here I only had > time to focus on keeping up with my Denver clients. I was > reading the IRS' rules for travel, and guidance from non-IRS > publications, but since my situation is somewhat unique it > didn't answer my questions. > 1) On deducting mileage for my travel from Denver to San > Diego.... I'm not sure, but by the time I return to Denver > it is likely that a majority of the days I will be here I > will have either done work for my Denver clients, or not > have had any contact with potential San Diego clients. > Reading the IRS regulations, it sounded like you had to have > a majority of your time dedicated to out-of-town business to > write off transportation costs between your home city and > the city you are visiting. Am I reading that correctly? > 2) I met a woman the other day who could be a potential > client, and started to do follow-up research for her > organization the following day. If the research and work I > do the following day doesn't put me in direct contact with > the potential client, is that day's rent/per diem > deductable? In other words, on the following day I wasn't > in contact with them via phone or in-person, but I was doing > some (uncompensated) legwork on their behalf that may lead > to paying work. > 3) I've arranged for meetings with potential clients via > initial emails (an introductory email about who I am and > stating that I'd like to meet with them and will follow up > later with a phone call). Do I have to have a phone > conversation or meeting to trigger the per diem/ rent write > off? > Thank you very much for giving me some insight on this - I'm > very eager to learn! that will determine whether all or part of the trip is business deductible or not. What was the purpose of going when you did? -- Paul Thomas, CPA paulthomascpapc[at]bellsouth.net << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| I greatly appreciate the opportunity to post this here, and for any insight folks might have! I own and operate a small business (S Corporation) writing grant proposals for various nonprofit groups and tax-exempt entities. I live in Denver. For six weeks, I am working remotely in San Diego, with a full office setup in a house that I am renting. I am seriously pursuing business leads this year, but for the first two weeks I was here I only had time to focus on keeping up with my Denver clients. I was reading the IRS' rules for travel, and guidance from non-IRS publications, but since my situation is somewhat unique it didn't answer my questions. 1) On deducting mileage for my travel from Denver to San Diego.... I'm not sure, but by the time I return to Denver it is likely that a majority of the days I will be here I will have either done work for my Denver clients, or not have had any contact with potential San Diego clients. Reading the IRS regulations, it sounded like you had to have a majority of your time dedicated to out-of-town business to write off transportation costs between your home city and the city you are visiting. Am I reading that correctly? 2) I met a woman the other day who could be a potential client, and started to do follow-up research for her organization the following day. If the research and work I do the following day doesn't put me in direct contact with the potential client, is that day's rent/per diem deductable? In other words, on the following day I wasn't in contact with them via phone or in-person, but I was doing some (uncompensated) legwork on their behalf that may lead to paying work. 3) I've arranged for meetings with potential clients via initial emails (an introductory email about who I am and stating that I'd like to meet with them and will follow up later with a phone call). Do I have to have a phone conversation or meeting to trigger the per diem/ rent write off? Thank you very much for giving me some insight on this - I'm very eager to learn! Jay << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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