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Old 02-26-2007, 05:13 AM
MyVeryOwnSelf
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> > IRS Publication 575 has a worksheet to calculate the taxable
> > portion of qualified employee pension income. My question is
> > about line 2 ("cost in the plan") in the case when TP's
> > contributions were partly pre-tax and partly after-tax.
> > > What goes in line 2 in the following case, and why? --
> > > Form 1099-R for 2006 has

> > 70 in box 5 ("Nontaxable contributions")
> > 3,500 in box 9b ("Total Employee Contributions").
> > > An earlier letter from the plan says:

> > 18,000 Tax-deferred contributions
> > 12,000 Interest on tax-deferred contributions
> > 3,600 Taxed contributions
> > 7,500 Interest on taxed contributions


> Box 9b reflects your employee after-tax contributions that
> were not recovered in any prior years. The simplified
> method requires that you use the cost basis at the start of
> the annuity. This would be the $3600 that was reported to
> you in the letter.


Thanks for the help.

As it turns out, I just received an unexpected statement
from the plan that includes the answer to the question --
the same one you gave, of course.

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Old 02-20-2007, 12:46 AM
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Default Re: Taxable part of pension, simplified method

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> > IRS Publication 575 has a worksheet to calculate the taxable
> > portion of qualified employee pension income. My question is
> > about line 2 ("cost in the plan") in the case when TP's
> > contributions were partly pre-tax and partly after-tax.
> > ...


> Box 9b reflects your employee after-tax contributions that
> were not recovered in any prior years. The simplified
> method requires that you use the cost basis at the start of
> the annuity. This would be the $3600 that was reported to
> you in the letter.


If it matters, 2006 was the first year receiving benefits,
and they started in mid-year.

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Old 02-20-2007, 12:46 AM
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Default Re: Taxable part of pension, simplified method

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> > IRS Publication 575 has a worksheet to calculate the taxable
> > portion of qualified employee pension income. My question is
> > about line 2 ("cost in the plan") in the case when TP's
> > contributions were partly pre-tax and partly after-tax.
> > ...


> Did the payer include entries in boxes 2a and 2b?


Yes for 2a. No for 2b.

- quote -

> Why is there a discrepancy between $3,500 in box 9b and
> the letter which states $3,600 after-tax contributions?


Don't really know, but if they're supposed to be the same
I'll go with the most recent communication, the 1099-R form.

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Old 02-19-2007, 06:20 PM
Mark Bole
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Default Re: Taxable part of pension, simplified method

MyVeryOwnSelf wrote:

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> IRS Publication 575 has a worksheet to calculate the taxable
> portion of qualified employee pension income. My question is
> about line 2 ("cost in the plan") in the case when TP's
> contributions were partly pre-tax and partly after-tax.
> What goes in line 2 in the following case, and why? --
> Form 1099-R for 2006 has
> 70 in box 5 ("Nontaxable contributions")
> 3,500 in box 9b ("Total Employee Contributions").
> An earlier letter from the plan says:
> 18,000 Tax-deferred contributions
> 12,000 Interest on tax-deferred contributions
> 3,600 Taxed contributions
> 7,500 Interest on taxed contributions


Did the payer include entries in boxes 2a and 2b? Why is
there a discrepancy between $3,500 in box 9b and the letter
which states $3,600 after-tax contributions?

-Mark Bole

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Old 02-19-2007, 06:20 PM
A.G. Kalman
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Default Re: Taxable part of pension, simplified method

MyVeryOwnSelf wrote:

- quote -

> IRS Publication 575 has a worksheet to calculate the taxable
> portion of qualified employee pension income. My question is
> about line 2 ("cost in the plan") in the case when TP's
> contributions were partly pre-tax and partly after-tax.
> What goes in line 2 in the following case, and why? --
> Form 1099-R for 2006 has
> 70 in box 5 ("Nontaxable contributions")
> 3,500 in box 9b ("Total Employee Contributions").
> An earlier letter from the plan says:
> 18,000 Tax-deferred contributions
> 12,000 Interest on tax-deferred contributions
> 3,600 Taxed contributions
> 7,500 Interest on taxed contributions


Box 9b reflects your employee after-tax contributions that
were not recovered in any prior years. The simplified
method requires that you use the cost basis at the start of
the annuity. This would be the $3600 that was reported to
you in the letter.

--
Alan
http://taxtopics.net

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Old 02-19-2007, 01:51 AM
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Default Taxable part of pension, simplified method

IRS Publication 575 has a worksheet to calculate the taxable
portion of qualified employee pension income. My question is
about line 2 ("cost in the plan") in the case when TP's
contributions were partly pre-tax and partly after-tax.

What goes in line 2 in the following case, and why? --

Form 1099-R for 2006 has
70 in box 5 ("Nontaxable contributions")
3,500 in box 9b ("Total Employee Contributions").

An earlier letter from the plan says:
18,000 Tax-deferred contributions
12,000 Interest on tax-deferred contributions
3,600 Taxed contributions
7,500 Interest on taxed contributions

Thanks.

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