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| On Feb 18, 1:28=EF=BF=BDam, "Yuri Weinstein \(HotMail\)" <yuriw_NOS...[at]hotmail.com> wrote: - quote - > > Phil is right. I just did one of these for a client and
expense if > > you exercise and sell the same day. If you buy> > examined the company paperwork in detail. The sales price > > was $40,000, the exercise price was $23,859 and the > > difference (the bargain element) was $16,141. The $16,141 > > was in his W-2. Since the money was already taxed as wages, > > the full amount he paid for the stock was $40,000 with a > > selling expense of $58. > > > $40,000 - $40,000 =3D 0 gain or loss, and the selling > > expense is a loss. > > > If you do this again, keep in mind that you will most likely > > not have any gain or loss except for the selling the stock > > with your own money and hold it for sale later, there can be > > a change in value. Most employees need to use the proceeds > > of the sale to pay for the purchase. - quote - > Thank you for the help!
Schedule D (cost basis). That is why you will likely show a> I did not get 1099-B form. =A0How (what form) can I deduct my > transaction commissions? small capital loss for the same day exercise and sale. << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| - quote - > Phil is right. I just did one of these for a client and
Thank you for the help!> examined the company paperwork in detail. The sales price > was $40,000, the exercise price was $23,859 and the > difference (the bargain element) was $16,141. The $16,141 > was in his W-2. Since the money was already taxed as wages, > the full amount he paid for the stock was $40,000 with a > selling expense of $58. > $40,000 - $40,000 = 0 gain or loss, and the selling > expense is a loss. > If you do this again, keep in mind that you will most likely > not have any gain or loss except for the selling expense if > you exercise and sell the same day. If you buy the stock > with your own money and hold it for sale later, there can be > a change in value. Most employees need to use the proceeds > of the sale to pay for the purchase. I did not get 1099-B form. How (what form) can I deduct my transaction commissions? << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| "Phil Marti" <prm20...[at]verizon.net> wrote: - quote - > "Yuri Weinstein" <yuri.weinst...[at]gmail.com> wrote:
Phil is right. I just did one of these for a client and> > I've exercised and sold my company options last year. > > The proceeds were ~10,000 and after all taxes were > > withdrawn. =A0This was reported on my W-2 form in box 12c with > > letter "V". > > > On another hand, I have investment capital losses that > > should off-set my gains from the options sell. > > > My assumption was that I could write-off my losses against > > my options gains. =A0Is it correct assumption? > No. =A0The gain from the options was wage income, which is why > it wound up on your W-2. =A0When you report it on Schedule D > you include the amount treated as wages in your basis. =A0A > same-day exercise/sale usually results in a short-term > capital loss equal to the fees. =A0A great source for > information on options iswww.fairmark.com. > I don't know if you would have made the same decision had > you understood the rules, but for lurkers, the time to > validate assumptions is before you act, not after. > > I used TurboTax, but not sure if this was taken into > > account. How do I make sure of that? > Check to see if Schedule D looks like I said it would. =A0If > it doesn't, something's wrong. examined the company paperwork in detail. The sales price was $40,000, the exercise price was $23,859 and the difference (the bargain element) was $16,141. The $16,141 was in his W-2. Since the money was already taxed as wages, the full amount he paid for the stock was $40,000 with a selling expense of $58. $40,000 - $40,000 =3D 0 gain or loss, and the selling expense is a loss. If you do this again, keep in mind that you will most likely not have any gain or loss except for the selling expense if you exercise and sell the same day. If you buy the stock with your own money and hold it for sale later, there can be a change in value. Most employees need to use the proceeds of the sale to pay for the purchase. Linda Dorfmont E.A., CFP, CSA << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| "Yuri Weinstein" <yuri.weinstein[at]gmail.com> writes: - quote - > I've exercised and sold my company options last year.
Only to the extent of $3000 of capital losses.> The proceeds were ~10,000 and after all taxes were > withdrawn. This was reported on my W-2 form in box 12c with > letter "V". > On another hand, I have investment capital losses that > should off-set my gains from the options sell. > My assumption was that I could write-off my losses against > my options gains. Is it correct assumption? In other words, if you have up to $3000 in net capital losses for the year, you can take the whole loss. If you have more, you can only take $3000 and must carry the rest to next year. For example, if you have a $20000 loss, you take $3000 of it this year and carry the $17000 over to next year. - quote - > I used TurboTax, but not sure if this was taken into
Look at Line 13 of Form 1040 as well as the entries on> account. How do I make sure of that? Schedule D. And look for the "Capital Loss Carryover Worksheet" as well. -- Rich Carreiro rlcarr[at]animato.arlington.ma.us << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| yuri.weinstein[at]gmail.com (Yuri) posted: - quote - > I've exercised and sold my company options last year.
Both items should have been entered on Schedule D. You> The proceeds were ~10,000 and after all taxes were withdrawn. > This was reported on my W-2 form in box 12c with letter "V". > On another hand, I have investment capital losses that should > off-set my gains from the options sell. > My assumption was that I could write-off my losses against my > options gains. Is it correct assumption? > I used TurboTax, but not sure if this was taken into account. > How do I make sure of that? should find such a Schedule has been created as a part of your tax file, if you entered the data. Then, just verify that the amounts shown are correct and match your records. And Yes, your capital losses should offset capital gains, to the extent of the total loss. Bill << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| "Yuri Weinstein" <yuri.weinstein[at]gmail.com> wrote: - quote - > I've exercised and sold my company options last year.
No. The gain from the options was wage income, which is why> The proceeds were ~10,000 and after all taxes were > withdrawn. This was reported on my W-2 form in box 12c with > letter "V". > On another hand, I have investment capital losses that > should off-set my gains from the options sell. > My assumption was that I could write-off my losses against > my options gains. Is it correct assumption? it wound up on your W-2. When you report it on Schedule D you include the amount treated as wages in your basis. A same-day exercise/sale usually results in a short-term capital loss equal to the fees. A great source for information on options is www.fairmark.com. I don't know if you would have made the same decision had you understood the rules, but for lurkers, the time to validate assumptions is before you act, not after. - quote - > I used TurboTax, but not sure if this was taken into
Check to see if Schedule D looks like I said it would. If> account. How do I make sure of that? it doesn't, something's wrong. -- Phil Marti Clarksburg, MD << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| I've exercised and sold my company options last year. The proceeds were ~10,000 and after all taxes were withdrawn. This was reported on my W-2 form in box 12c with letter "V". On another hand, I have investment capital losses that should off-set my gains from the options sell. My assumption was that I could write-off my losses against my options gains. Is it correct assumption? I used TurboTax, but not sure if this was taken into account. How do I make sure of that? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thx YuriW << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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