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| mvl_groups_user[at]yahoo.com wrote: [clip] - quote - > It appears that my bank has been erroneously calculating > single life expectancy anew each year, resulting in 5-10% > lower distributions than my true RMD in year 2 and beyond. [clip] As a non professional wicked in spread sheet skills, I have been forecasting my own "What if's" regarding my 401K. One of the observations that complicated the math prediction formulas for "Required Minimum Distributions" surprised me, but makes sense if you think about it. Publication 590, "Life Expetantcy Tables" shows that we are "expected" to live longer each year that we get older. In other words, the older you get, the older you are expected to get. It increases a fractional year each year you survive. The actual RMD is a victim of that complication since life expectancy is a moving target. << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| <mvl_groups_user[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > I noticed what appears to be an error in my bank's required
depending on the distribution options chosen, it may be> minimum distribution calculation. > I am a beneficiary where the former ira owner died before > the required beginning date. > I have been taking distributions based on the single life > expectancy minus x years formula. It appears that my bank > has been erroneously calculating single life expectancy anew > each year, resulting in 5-10% lower distributions than my > true RMD in year 2 and beyond. > Two questions: > 1) Must I file form 5329, since the 5329 instructions state > "If the trustee, custodian, or issuer of your IRA informs > you of the minimum required distribution, you can use that > amount." Or should I file 5329 showing no excess > accumulations and therefore no tax? Or should I calculate > it the RMD on my own, show the tax, and write the excuse > letter? > 2) This has been happenning for 2 years. Are excess > accumulations additive, in that if I were $100 short in > 2005, and $200 short in 2006, do I owe tax on 50% of $300 in > 2006? I see this logic in the 590 for excess contributions, > but not excess accumulations. correct ___________________________________ <<< Benjamin Yazersky, CPA [NJ & NY] > > -----> real address on hobokeni or hobokenx <----- << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| mvl_groups_u...[at]yahoo.com wrote: - quote - > I noticed what appears to be an error in my bank's required
If a significant amount of money is involved you might hire> minimum distribution calculation. > I am a beneficiary where the former ira owner died before > the required beginning date. > I have been taking distributions based on the single life > expectancy minus x years formula. It appears that my bank > has been erroneously calculating single life expectancy anew > each year, resulting in 5-10% lower distributions than my > true RMD in year 2 and beyond. > Two questions: > 1) Must I file form 5329, since the 5329 instructions state > "If the trustee, custodian, or issuer of your IRA informs > you of the minimum required distribution, you can use that > amount." Or should I file 5329 showing no excess > accumulations and therefore no tax? Or should I calculate > it the RMD on my own, show the tax, and write the excuse > letter? > 2) This has been happenning for 2 years. Are excess > accumulations additive, in that if I were $100 short in > 2005, and $200 short in 2006, do I owe tax on 50% of $300 in > 2006? I see this logic in the 590 for excess contributions, > but not excess accumulations. a tax attorney to (1) research the issue or (2) obtain a letter ruling from the IRS. Kreig Mitchell www.irstaxtrouble.com www.irstaxtrouble.com/blog.htm << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| I noticed what appears to be an error in my bank's required minimum distribution calculation. I am a beneficiary where the former ira owner died before the required beginning date. I have been taking distributions based on the single life expectancy minus x years formula. It appears that my bank has been erroneously calculating single life expectancy anew each year, resulting in 5-10% lower distributions than my true RMD in year 2 and beyond. Two questions: 1) Must I file form 5329, since the 5329 instructions state "If the trustee, custodian, or issuer of your IRA informs you of the minimum required distribution, you can use that amount." Or should I file 5329 showing no excess accumulations and therefore no tax? Or should I calculate it the RMD on my own, show the tax, and write the excuse letter? 2) This has been happenning for 2 years. Are excess accumulations additive, in that if I were $100 short in 2005, and $200 short in 2006, do I owe tax on 50% of $300 in 2006? I see this logic in the 590 for excess contributions, but not excess accumulations. -MVL << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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