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Old 01-31-2007, 09:12 PM
cballard@tyyni.net
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"Shyster1040" <Shyster1...[at]nospamhotmail.com> wrote:

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> I agree, application of income tax rules to estate tax rules
> can be fraught with peril. That is, in part, why I
> qualified my answer, since I had found what I referred to,
> but hadn't the time to get more in-depth (whaddya expect?
> I'm not getting paid here).
> The citation to Treas. Reg. 20.2055-1 is good, as are a
> number of private letter rulings the IRS has issued
> regarding donations made to foreign non-governmental
> charitable organizations. See, e.g., PLR 9821044,
> 5/22/1998. The PLR is particuarly useful because it is both
> fairly recent and puts more flesh on the bones of the Code
> and Regs as to what constitutes a "foreign charity" as to
> which donations are deductible for estate tax purposes.
> Thus, if the OP can show that the organization set up by his father:
> provides that bequests do not inure to the benefit of any
> private shareholder or individual other than those to whom
> distributions are made pursuant to the governing instrument
> of the organization,
> the bequest is not used for a noncharitable purpose,
> the governing provisions meet the requirements of section
> 508(e), and
> he organization maintains its status in Australia as an
> exempt foundation,
> then the OP has a reasonable chance of being able to deduct
> the bequest to the organization for US estate tax purposes.
> In this case, since it was an organization set up by his
> father, there may be problems


> was misinterpreting your intent, then, since you had cited

to an IRS publication that discusses income tax charitable
deductions rather than citing to something that discusses
estate tax charitable deductions.

I don't see anything in the OP's message that says that this
is a charity that was set up by his father, only that his
father was planning to name it as a beneficiary under his
will. If the Australian charity is not a private
foundation, then the foundation restrictions you cite in PLR
9821044 don't apply (i.e. meeting the requirements under
Code section 508(e)). I think the regs actually cover the
OP's situation in pretty good detail.

--Chris

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Old 01-31-2007, 08:53 PM
Earl Kiosterud
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Chris,

Thank you very much for your answer. I've looked over the
Fred Hollows web site, and it appears to meet the conditions
you outline. It is tax-exempt in Australia. We are in the
process of retaining an attorney.

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Earl Kiosterud
www.smokeylake.com

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Old 01-31-2007, 08:53 PM
Earl Kiosterud
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"Shyster1040" <Shyster1040[at]nospamhotmail.com> wrote:

- quote -

> I agree, application of income tax rules to estate tax rules
> can be fraught with peril. That is, in part, why I
> qualified my answer, since I had found what I referred to,
> but hadn't the time to get more in-depth (whaddya expect?
> I'm not getting paid here).
> The citation to Treas. Reg. 20.2055-1 is good, as are a
> number of private letter rulings the IRS has issued
> regarding donations made to foreign non-governmental
> charitable organizations. See, e.g., PLR 9821044,
> 5/22/1998. The PLR is particuarly useful because it is both
> fairly recent and puts more flesh on the bones of the Code
> and Regs as to what constitutes a "foreign charity" as to
> which donations are deductible for estate tax purposes.
> Thus, if the OP can show that the organization set up by
> his father:
> provides that bequests do not inure to the benefit of any
> private shareholder or individual other than those to whom
> distributions are made pursuant to the governing instrument
> of the organization,
> the bequest is not used for a noncharitable purpose,
> the governing provisions meet the requirements of section
> 508(e), and
> he organization maintains its status in Australia as an
> exempt foundation,
> then the OP has a reasonable chance of being able to deduct
> the bequest to the organization for US estate tax purposes.
> In this case, since it was an organization set up by his
> father, there may be problems


Thanks for your answer.

My father didn't set up the Fred Hollows organization. He
left them $50,000 Australian in his will. It is an
Australian foundation that has two objectives: "Our vision
is of a world where no one is needlessly blind and of a land
where Indigenous people enjoy the same health outcomes as
all Australians." The Indegenous people refers to
Australian Aboriginals. The blindness work is done in
several countries. I've looked through its web site, and it
appears to meet the conditions in the PLR you gave. It is
tax-deductible in Australia.

We, his heirs, are concerned about the cash flow paying
estate tax, since much of his estate is in real estate in
Australia. It may mean that we (we have financial and
health power of attorney) may have to sell a parcel of land
when he dies to pay the estate tax. His will specifies that
the land is to be kept for a period of time.

--
Earl Kiosterud
www.smokeylake.com

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Old 01-31-2007, 01:52 AM
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I agree, application of income tax rules to estate tax rules
can be fraught with peril. That is, in part, why I
qualified my answer, since I had found what I referred to,
but hadn't the time to get more in-depth (whaddya expect?
I'm not getting paid here).

The citation to Treas. Reg. 20.2055-1 is good, as are a
number of private letter rulings the IRS has issued
regarding donations made to foreign non-governmental
charitable organizations. See, e.g., PLR 9821044,
5/22/1998. The PLR is particuarly useful because it is both
fairly recent and puts more flesh on the bones of the Code
and Regs as to what constitutes a "foreign charity" as to
which donations are deductible for estate tax purposes.

Thus, if the OP can show that the organization set up by his father:

provides that bequests do not inure to the benefit of any
private shareholder or individual other than those to whom
distributions are made pursuant to the governing instrument
of the organization,

the bequest is not used for a noncharitable purpose,

the governing provisions meet the requirements of section
508(e), and

he organization maintains its status in Australia as an
exempt foundation,

then the OP has a reasonable chance of being able to deduct
the bequest to the organization for US estate tax purposes.

In this case, since it was an organization set up by his
father, there may be problems

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Old 01-30-2007, 05:07 PM
cballard@tyyni.net
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"Shyster1040" <Shyster1...[at]nospamhotmail.com> wrote:

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> Most foreign organizations do not qualify as charitable
> organizations to which deductible contributions can be made.
> See, e.g., IRS Pub. 526, p.6.
> As a result, it is highly likely that the bequest to your
> father's Australian charitable organization is not
> deductible for purposes of determining your father's taxable
> estate for US estate tax purposes.


Don't try to apply income tax rules to the estate tax.
There is no requirement in Code section 2055 that the
charitable recipient be a US charity.

The estate tax regulations contain the following provision
under the discussion of what qualifies for the charitable
deduction:

"The deduction is not limited, in the case of estates of
citizens or residents of the United States, to transfers to
domestic corporations or associations, or to trustees for
use within the United States." Reg 20.2055-1(a).

Under Code section 2055, the tests that have to be met in
order to qualfiy for the estate tax charitable deduction
are:

- the foreign charity must be organized and operated
exclusively for religious, charitable, scientific, literary,
or educational purposes (including the encouragement of art
and for the prevention of cruelty to children or animals)

- no part of the net earnings of the foreign charity
inures to the benefit of any private stockholder or
individual (other than amounts legitimately paid to
individuals as part of the charitable purposes of the
organization)

- the foreign charity does not participate in attempting
to influence legislation to an extent that, if it were a
U.S. organization, it would not be eligible for tax
exemption under Code section 501(c)(3)

- the foreign charity does not participate in, or
intervene in (including the publishing or distributing of
statements), any political campaign on behalf of or in
opposition to any candidate for public office.

Note, however, that if the decedant's gross estate is larger
than the filing threshold, an estate tax return is still
supposed to be filed, even if deductions are large enough to
result in no tax being due.

We don't have enough information about the Australian
charity in question to determine whether it would qualify
for the deduction. You should be able to look at how the
organization is organized and operated, apply the tests
above, and determine whether it would qualify for the estate
tax charitable deduction. If you are in doubt, I would
recommend retaining a U.S. attorney specializing in estate
tax matters who could write an opinion for you regarding the
matter.

--Chris

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Old 01-30-2007, 03:31 PM
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"Earl Kiosterud" <someone[at]nowhere.com> wrote:

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> My father has lived in Australia for many years, but is
> still a U.S. citizen. He's named the Fred Hollows
> organization in Australia as a beneficiary in his will.
> It isn't, as would be expected, listed in the U.S. IRS
> list of charitable organizations. We are trying to
> determine if this bequest is taxable (U.S. estate tax).
> Does anyone know, or where we might find this information?


Individual bequests are not taxed by US estate tax law. The
estate itself, less allowable deductions, is subject to tax.

If your father's estate is large enough to be taxed (and the
amount depends on which year he chooses to die) his
executor/administrator must file an Estate Tax Return. As
far as I know, only bequests to recognized US charities are
allowable deductions.

Lanny K. Williams, CPA
Nawarat, Williams & Co., Ltd.
Income Tax Services for Expatriate Americans

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Old 01-30-2007, 03:31 PM
Shyster1040
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Most foreign organizations do not qualify as charitable
organizations to which deductible contributions can be made.
See, e.g., IRS Pub. 526, p.6.

As a result, it is highly likely that the bequest to your
father's Australian charitable organization is not
deductible for purposes of determining your father's taxable
estate for US estate tax purposes.

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Old 01-29-2007, 06:10 AM
Earl Kiosterud
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Default Estate tax and out-of-US charitable will beneficiary

My father has lived in Australia for many years, but is
still a U.S. citizen. He's named the Fred Hollows
organization in Australia as a beneficiary in his will.
It isn't, as would be expected, listed in the U.S. IRS
list of charitable organizations. We are trying to
determine if this bequest is taxable (U.S. estate tax).
Does anyone know, or where we might find this information?

Thanks.

--
Earl Kiosterud
www.smokeylake.com
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