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| "Shyster1040" <Shyster1...[at]nospamhotmail.com> wrote: - quote - > I agree, application of income tax rules to estate tax rules
deductions rather than citing to something that discusses> can be fraught with peril. That is, in part, why I > qualified my answer, since I had found what I referred to, > but hadn't the time to get more in-depth (whaddya expect? > I'm not getting paid here). > The citation to Treas. Reg. 20.2055-1 is good, as are a > number of private letter rulings the IRS has issued > regarding donations made to foreign non-governmental > charitable organizations. See, e.g., PLR 9821044, > 5/22/1998. The PLR is particuarly useful because it is both > fairly recent and puts more flesh on the bones of the Code > and Regs as to what constitutes a "foreign charity" as to > which donations are deductible for estate tax purposes. > Thus, if the OP can show that the organization set up by his father: > provides that bequests do not inure to the benefit of any > private shareholder or individual other than those to whom > distributions are made pursuant to the governing instrument > of the organization, > the bequest is not used for a noncharitable purpose, > the governing provisions meet the requirements of section > 508(e), and > he organization maintains its status in Australia as an > exempt foundation, > then the OP has a reasonable chance of being able to deduct > the bequest to the organization for US estate tax purposes. > In this case, since it was an organization set up by his > father, there may be problems > was misinterpreting your intent, then, since you had cited to an IRS publication that discusses income tax charitable estate tax charitable deductions. I don't see anything in the OP's message that says that this is a charity that was set up by his father, only that his father was planning to name it as a beneficiary under his will. If the Australian charity is not a private foundation, then the foundation restrictions you cite in PLR 9821044 don't apply (i.e. meeting the requirements under Code section 508(e)). I think the regs actually cover the OP's situation in pretty good detail. --Chris << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| Chris, Thank you very much for your answer. I've looked over the Fred Hollows web site, and it appears to meet the conditions you outline. It is tax-exempt in Australia. We are in the process of retaining an attorney. -- Earl Kiosterud www.smokeylake.com << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| "Shyster1040" <Shyster1040[at]nospamhotmail.com> wrote: - quote - > I agree, application of income tax rules to estate tax rules
Thanks for your answer.> can be fraught with peril. That is, in part, why I > qualified my answer, since I had found what I referred to, > but hadn't the time to get more in-depth (whaddya expect? > I'm not getting paid here). > The citation to Treas. Reg. 20.2055-1 is good, as are a > number of private letter rulings the IRS has issued > regarding donations made to foreign non-governmental > charitable organizations. See, e.g., PLR 9821044, > 5/22/1998. The PLR is particuarly useful because it is both > fairly recent and puts more flesh on the bones of the Code > and Regs as to what constitutes a "foreign charity" as to > which donations are deductible for estate tax purposes. > Thus, if the OP can show that the organization set up by > his father: > provides that bequests do not inure to the benefit of any > private shareholder or individual other than those to whom > distributions are made pursuant to the governing instrument > of the organization, > the bequest is not used for a noncharitable purpose, > the governing provisions meet the requirements of section > 508(e), and > he organization maintains its status in Australia as an > exempt foundation, > then the OP has a reasonable chance of being able to deduct > the bequest to the organization for US estate tax purposes. > In this case, since it was an organization set up by his > father, there may be problems My father didn't set up the Fred Hollows organization. He left them $50,000 Australian in his will. It is an Australian foundation that has two objectives: "Our vision is of a world where no one is needlessly blind and of a land where Indigenous people enjoy the same health outcomes as all Australians." The Indegenous people refers to Australian Aboriginals. The blindness work is done in several countries. I've looked through its web site, and it appears to meet the conditions in the PLR you gave. It is tax-deductible in Australia. We, his heirs, are concerned about the cash flow paying estate tax, since much of his estate is in real estate in Australia. It may mean that we (we have financial and health power of attorney) may have to sell a parcel of land when he dies to pay the estate tax. His will specifies that the land is to be kept for a period of time. -- Earl Kiosterud www.smokeylake.com << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| I agree, application of income tax rules to estate tax rules can be fraught with peril. That is, in part, why I qualified my answer, since I had found what I referred to, but hadn't the time to get more in-depth (whaddya expect? I'm not getting paid here). The citation to Treas. Reg. 20.2055-1 is good, as are a number of private letter rulings the IRS has issued regarding donations made to foreign non-governmental charitable organizations. See, e.g., PLR 9821044, 5/22/1998. The PLR is particuarly useful because it is both fairly recent and puts more flesh on the bones of the Code and Regs as to what constitutes a "foreign charity" as to which donations are deductible for estate tax purposes. Thus, if the OP can show that the organization set up by his father: provides that bequests do not inure to the benefit of any private shareholder or individual other than those to whom distributions are made pursuant to the governing instrument of the organization, the bequest is not used for a noncharitable purpose, the governing provisions meet the requirements of section 508(e), and he organization maintains its status in Australia as an exempt foundation, then the OP has a reasonable chance of being able to deduct the bequest to the organization for US estate tax purposes. In this case, since it was an organization set up by his father, there may be problems << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| "Shyster1040" <Shyster1...[at]nospamhotmail.com> wrote: - quote - > Most foreign organizations do not qualify as charitable
Don't try to apply income tax rules to the estate tax.> organizations to which deductible contributions can be made. > See, e.g., IRS Pub. 526, p.6. > As a result, it is highly likely that the bequest to your > father's Australian charitable organization is not > deductible for purposes of determining your father's taxable > estate for US estate tax purposes. There is no requirement in Code section 2055 that the charitable recipient be a US charity. The estate tax regulations contain the following provision under the discussion of what qualifies for the charitable deduction: "The deduction is not limited, in the case of estates of citizens or residents of the United States, to transfers to domestic corporations or associations, or to trustees for use within the United States." Reg 20.2055-1(a). Under Code section 2055, the tests that have to be met in order to qualfiy for the estate tax charitable deduction are: - the foreign charity must be organized and operated exclusively for religious, charitable, scientific, literary, or educational purposes (including the encouragement of art and for the prevention of cruelty to children or animals) - no part of the net earnings of the foreign charity inures to the benefit of any private stockholder or individual (other than amounts legitimately paid to individuals as part of the charitable purposes of the organization) - the foreign charity does not participate in attempting to influence legislation to an extent that, if it were a U.S. organization, it would not be eligible for tax exemption under Code section 501(c)(3) - the foreign charity does not participate in, or intervene in (including the publishing or distributing of statements), any political campaign on behalf of or in opposition to any candidate for public office. Note, however, that if the decedant's gross estate is larger than the filing threshold, an estate tax return is still supposed to be filed, even if deductions are large enough to result in no tax being due. We don't have enough information about the Australian charity in question to determine whether it would qualify for the deduction. You should be able to look at how the organization is organized and operated, apply the tests above, and determine whether it would qualify for the estate tax charitable deduction. If you are in doubt, I would recommend retaining a U.S. attorney specializing in estate tax matters who could write an opinion for you regarding the matter. --Chris << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| "Earl Kiosterud" <someone[at]nowhere.com> wrote: - quote - > My father has lived in Australia for many years, but is
Individual bequests are not taxed by US estate tax law. The> still a U.S. citizen. He's named the Fred Hollows > organization in Australia as a beneficiary in his will. > It isn't, as would be expected, listed in the U.S. IRS > list of charitable organizations. We are trying to > determine if this bequest is taxable (U.S. estate tax). > Does anyone know, or where we might find this information? estate itself, less allowable deductions, is subject to tax. If your father's estate is large enough to be taxed (and the amount depends on which year he chooses to die) his executor/administrator must file an Estate Tax Return. As far as I know, only bequests to recognized US charities are allowable deductions. Lanny K. Williams, CPA Nawarat, Williams & Co., Ltd. Income Tax Services for Expatriate Americans << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| Most foreign organizations do not qualify as charitable organizations to which deductible contributions can be made. See, e.g., IRS Pub. 526, p.6. As a result, it is highly likely that the bequest to your father's Australian charitable organization is not deductible for purposes of determining your father's taxable estate for US estate tax purposes. << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| My father has lived in Australia for many years, but is still a U.S. citizen. He's named the Fred Hollows organization in Australia as a beneficiary in his will. It isn't, as would be expected, listed in the U.S. IRS list of charitable organizations. We are trying to determine if this bequest is taxable (U.S. estate tax). Does anyone know, or where we might find this information? Thanks. -- Earl Kiosterud www.smokeylake.com --------------------------------------- << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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