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Old 01-27-2007, 04:11 AM
Mike20878
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Default Re: Refund of "excess" 401(k) contribution due to HCE tag

I typically get these after the fact and they are for $1-2K.
Usually the partner I work for will just want us to pick it
up in the current year since it's not a significant amount.
For $12,000 it should definitely be picked up in the correct
year.

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Old 01-26-2007, 09:39 AM
Phoebe Roberts, EA
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R. Pile wrote:

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> Is my understanding correct that the 1099-R will specify
> this to be 2006 income?


Yes.

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> Will the 1099-R be received now or
> next year, since the refund is actually being received in
> 2007?


In 2008, with a code indicating it belongs on the 2006
return (maybe a P?)

- quote -

> Should her 2006 tax return (which has not yet been
> prepared) include the extra $12,000 or is preferable to wait
> until next year and file an amended 2006 return?


Include it now.

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> Is there even an option?

Only if you consider doing it wrong to be an option.

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> I presume there are no penalties, even though she will now
> unexpectedly own aboutt $4,000 in Federal income taxes, plus
> another few hundred bucks to the State?


If she doesn't meet any of the other safe-harbors, she may
well owe penalties.

Phoebe

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Old 01-26-2007, 09:39 AM
Phil Marti
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"R. Pile" <michael.bratt[at]wdn.com> wrote:

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> Client was just informed that she was deemed a highly
> compensated employee and the company was notified that it
> failed the test of its plan. She will receive a check for
> $12,000 of her $20,000 401(k) contribution for 2006 and a
> 1099-R. (For 2007, company will allow contributions of only
> 3% of salary, plus the $5,000 catch-up, rather than the
> $15,500 maximum allowed by the IRS.)
> Is my understanding correct that the 1099-R will specify
> this to be 2006 income?


Assuming they code it correctly, yes.

- quote -

> Will the 1099-R be received now or
> next year, since the refund is actually being received in
> 2007?


It will be a 2007 1099-R issued in January 2008. She will
panic. You will tell her to turn it over and see what the
box 7 code means. She will see that it's 2006 income that
should have been reported on her 2006 return, and all will
be well.

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> Should her 2006 tax return (which has not yet been
> prepared) include the extra $12,000 or is preferable to wait
> until next year and file an amended 2006 return? Does it
> make a difference? Is there even an option? Are there pros
> and cons?


I certainly wouldn't sign a return I knew to be incorrect,
which is what you'd be doing if you didn't include it when
you file. Waiting until the 1099-R comes would also force
her to pay interest when she files the amended return.

--
Phil Marti
Clarksburg, MD

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Old 01-26-2007, 09:39 AM
Mike20878
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"R. Pile" <michael.br...[at]wdn.com> wrote:

- quote -

> Client was just informed that she was deemed a highly
> compensated employee and the company was notified that it
> failed the test of its plan. She will receive a check for
> $12,000 of her $20,000 401(k) contribution for 2006 and a
> 1099-R. (For 2007, company will allow contributions of only
> 3% of salary, plus the $5,000 catch-up, rather than the
> $15,500 maximum allowed by the IRS.)
> Is my understanding correct that the 1099-R will specify
> this to be 2006 income? Will the 1099-R be received now or
> next year, since the refund is actually being received in
> 2007? Should her 2006 tax return (which has not yet been
> prepared) include the extra $12,000 or is preferable to wait
> until next year and file an amended 2006 return? Does it
> make a difference? Is there even an option? Are there pros
> and cons?
> I presume there are no penalties, even though she will now
> unexpectedly own aboutt $4,000 in Federal income taxes, plus
> another few hundred bucks to the State?


I recall that this is indeed one of those situations when a
1099-R will come in 2007 with a code of P indicating it is
taxable in 2006. Since you know about it, I would report it
and avoid having to amend and pay additional taxes plus
possible penalties and interest. I believe it is taxed as
ordinary income.

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Old 01-26-2007, 09:20 AM
Shyster1040
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Your understanding is correct.

The excess contribution, along with any income generated by
that excess (which must also be distributed, as per Sec.
408(d)(4)), if distributed prior to the due date, with
extensions, of the client's return for 2006 will constitute
income to the client for 2006.

There will be no excess contribution penalty. There should
also be no penalty for underpayment of estimated tax since
the plan is required to withhold on the distribution as if
it were "wages."

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Old 01-25-2007, 06:43 AM
R. Pile
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Default Refund of "excess" 401(k) contribution due to HCE tag

Client was just informed that she was deemed a highly
compensated employee and the company was notified that it
failed the test of its plan. She will receive a check for
$12,000 of her $20,000 401(k) contribution for 2006 and a
1099-R. (For 2007, company will allow contributions of only
3% of salary, plus the $5,000 catch-up, rather than the
$15,500 maximum allowed by the IRS.)

Is my understanding correct that the 1099-R will specify
this to be 2006 income? Will the 1099-R be received now or
next year, since the refund is actually being received in
2007? Should her 2006 tax return (which has not yet been
prepared) include the extra $12,000 or is preferable to wait
until next year and file an amended 2006 return? Does it
make a difference? Is there even an option? Are there pros
and cons?

I presume there are no penalties, even though she will now
unexpectedly own aboutt $4,000 in Federal income taxes, plus
another few hundred bucks to the State?

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