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Old 01-18-2007, 07:42 AM
Arthur Kamlet
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> > > My client has a single family rental house which she has
> > > been renting out for many years. When she first got her
> > > mortgage she was charged private mortgage insurance because
> > > her down payment was not 20%. I have been deducting this
> > > insurance premium on her Sch. E. I recently got into a
> > > discussion with a mortgage broker friend who says that this
> > > premium is not deductible. After scouring the IRS sites and
> > > the publication on rental property I have found that PMI is
> > > not added to basis and is not amortized over the term of the
> > > loan, but nowhere did I find it either permitted or
> > > prohibited as a deduction as paid. Who is right?


> > Not a deduction for 2006 or earlier.
> > > For new loans with a PMI in 2007, and it expires in a year

> > or two, PMI will be allowed as a mortgage deduction.


> It's rental property, Art.


Well, sure it is, now that you (and Linda) point that out:^)

You are all right. pmi is a deduction for rental property.

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Old 01-16-2007, 07:54 AM
Seth Breidbart
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> > My client has a single family rental house which she has
> > been renting out for many years. When she first got her
> > mortgage she was charged private mortgage insurance because
> > her down payment was not 20%. I have been deducting this
> > insurance premium on her Sch. E. I recently got into a
> > discussion with a mortgage broker friend who says that this
> > premium is not deductible. After scouring the IRS sites and
> > the publication on rental property I have found that PMI is
> > not added to basis and is not amortized over the term of the
> > loan, but nowhere did I find it either permitted or
> > prohibited as a deduction as paid. Who is right?


> You are as far as rental property is concerned.


However, if the LTV ratio is now lower than 80%, the PMI
should no longer be necessary. That can occur due to
principal paydown, or value increase.

Seth

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Old 01-16-2007, 07:53 AM
Dick Adams
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> My client has a single family rental house which she has
> been renting out for many years. When she first got her
> mortgage she was charged private mortgage insurance because
> her down payment was not 20%. I have been deducting this
> insurance premium on her Sch. E. I recently got into a
> discussion with a mortgage broker friend who says that this
> premium is not deductible.


And you thought a mortgage broker knew something about
taxation.

- quote -

> After scouring the IRS sites and
> the publication on rental property I have found that PMI is
> not added to basis and is not amortized over the term of the
> loan, but nowhere did I find it either permitted or
> prohibited as a deduction as paid. Who is right?


You are and it wasn't even close. It's a requirement of
the loan for the benefit of the lender. Therefore, it is
deductible.

Dick

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Old 01-16-2007, 07:34 AM
Harlan Lunsford
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Arthur Kamlet wrote:
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> DORFMONT[at]aol.com (Linda Dorfmont) <DORFMONT[at]aol.com> wrote:

> > My client has a single family rental house which she has
> > been renting out for many years. When she first got her
> > mortgage she was charged private mortgage insurance because
> > her down payment was not 20%. I have been deducting this
> > insurance premium on her Sch. E. I recently got into a
> > discussion with a mortgage broker friend who says that this
> > premium is not deductible. After scouring the IRS sites and
> > the publication on rental property I have found that PMI is
> > not added to basis and is not amortized over the term of the
> > loan, but nowhere did I find it either permitted or
> > prohibited as a deduction as paid. Who is right?


> Not a deduction for 2006 or earlier.
> For new loans with a PMI in 2007, and it expires in a year
> or two, PMI will be allowed as a mortgage deduction.


It's rental property, Art.

ChEAr$,
Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA

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Old 01-15-2007, 06:26 AM
Bill Brown
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DORFMONT[at]aol.com (Linda Dorfmont) wrote:

- quote -

> My client has a single family rental house which she has
> been renting out for many years. When she first got her
> mortgage she was charged private mortgage insurance because
> her down payment was not 20%. I have been deducting this
> insurance premium on her Sch. E. I recently got into a
> discussion with a mortgage broker friend who says that this
> premium is not deductible. After scouring the IRS sites and
> the publication on rental property I have found that PMI is
> not added to basis and is not amortized over the term of the
> loan, but nowhere did I find it either permitted or
> prohibited as a deduction as paid. Who is right?


You are as far as rental property is concerned.

Never rely on mortgage brokers for useful tax advice.

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Old 01-15-2007, 06:07 AM
Arthur Kamlet
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DORFMONT[at]aol.com (Linda Dorfmont) <DORFMONT[at]aol.com> wrote:

- quote -

> My client has a single family rental house which she has
> been renting out for many years. When she first got her
> mortgage she was charged private mortgage insurance because
> her down payment was not 20%. I have been deducting this
> insurance premium on her Sch. E. I recently got into a
> discussion with a mortgage broker friend who says that this
> premium is not deductible. After scouring the IRS sites and
> the publication on rental property I have found that PMI is
> not added to basis and is not amortized over the term of the
> loan, but nowhere did I find it either permitted or
> prohibited as a deduction as paid. Who is right?


Not a deduction for 2006 or earlier.

For new loans with a PMI in 2007, and it expires in a year
or two, PMI will be allowed as a mortgage deduction.

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Art Kamlet ArtKamlet [at] AOL.com Columbus OH K2PZH

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Old 01-15-2007, 05:48 AM
Stuart A. Bronstein
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"DORFMONT[at]aol.com (Linda Dorfmont)" <DORFMONT[at]aol.com> wrote:

- quote -

> My client has a single family rental house which she has
> been renting out for many years. When she first got her
> mortgage she was charged private mortgage insurance because
> her down payment was not 20%. I have been deducting this
> insurance premium on her Sch. E. I recently got into a
> discussion with a mortgage broker friend who says that this
> premium is not deductible. After scouring the IRS sites and
> the publication on rental property I have found that PMI is
> not added to basis and is not amortized over the term of the
> loan, but nowhere did I find it either permitted or
> prohibited as a deduction as paid. Who is right?


It's not deductible as an interest expense, because it's not
interest. But I suppose it could be deductible as an
ordinary and necessary business expense.

Stu

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Old 01-15-2007, 05:47 AM
Harlan Lunsford
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DORFMONT[at]aol.com (Linda Dorfmont) wrote:

- quote -

> My client has a single family rental house which she has
> been renting out for many years. When she first got her
> mortgage she was charged private mortgage insurance because
> her down payment was not 20%. I have been deducting this
> insurance premium on her Sch. E. I recently got into a
> discussion with a mortgage broker friend who says that this
> premium is not deductible. After scouring the IRS sites and
> the publication on rental property I have found that PMI is
> not added to basis and is not amortized over the term of the
> loan, but nowhere did I find it either permitted or
> prohibited as a deduction as paid. Who is right?


You are.

the mortgage broker was thinking only in terms of personal
deductions on schedule a and didn't consider deductibility
of ordinary and necessary rental expenses.

ChEAr$,
Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA

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Old 01-13-2007, 06:12 AM
DORFMONT@aol.com (Linda Dorfmont)
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My client has a single family rental house which she has
been renting out for many years. When she first got her
mortgage she was charged private mortgage insurance because
her down payment was not 20%. I have been deducting this
insurance premium on her Sch. E. I recently got into a
discussion with a mortgage broker friend who says that this
premium is not deductible. After scouring the IRS sites and
the publication on rental property I have found that PMI is
not added to basis and is not amortized over the term of the
loan, but nowhere did I find it either permitted or
prohibited as a deduction as paid. Who is right?

Linda Dorfmont E.A., CFP, CSA

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