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| Ted <Ted666[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > "Arthur Kamlet" <kamlet[at]panix.com> wrote:
Seems right to me. But you have a lawyer who, if he doesn't> > Ted <Ted666[at]yahoo.com> wrote: > > > I just won a lawsuit against the directors of a small > > > company in which I own stock; they have to pay me my share > > > of funds they misappropriated from the company. > > > > > Since I am just receiving reimbursement for damages, I don't > > > think it is a taxable event. However, if they hadn't > > > misappropriated the funds my investment would be worth more, > > > which would ultimately be taxed as capital gains; so perhaps > > > it is taxable. I am confused. Taxable to me or not? > > > > > The company originally deducted the improper payments to the > > > directors. Does the company have to refile to backout the > > > deductions (since they are illegal, they obviously weren't > > > deductable); or is a lawsuit verdict not relevant? > > I can't tell if you are more interested in what you have to > > do or what they have to do? > Both. Since I am still a significant stockholder, what they > have to do is important. > > I still do not quite understand what your losses were that > > you had to sue to recover. > They misappropriated money. My lawyer says I have to chose > between them paying my loss to me directly, or having them > pay the entire loss back to the company; since the Judge > found for me on both, but I can only get one. I am trying to > figure out which is better. Perhaps they are ultimately the > same. > > But the general rule is unless the settlement is to > > compensate you for your personal physical injury or disease > > and you name is not Murphy, then the settlement is taxable.o > > > However, if your automobile was damaged and you sue to > > recover actual provable losses, that would not be taxable > > either. > > > If you bought stock in this compoany and later sold it for > > less than you could have due to actions for which you were > > awarded damages, you would report the income on Schedule D, > > short term or long term, depending on the original sale. > > If you still held the stock, this award would decrease your > > basis but not below zero. Income in excess of basis is short > > or long term gain. > So, if the award was $100k, my basis $250k, and I later sold > the stock a few years later for $500,000, I would have a > capital gain of $350k. Is that right? understand the tax aspects, could ask someone who does. __ Art Kamlet ArtKamlet [at] AOL.com Columbus OH K2PZH << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| "Arthur Kamlet" <kamlet[at]panix.com> wrote: - quote - > Ted <Ted666[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
Both. Since I am still a significant stockholder, what they> > I just won a lawsuit against the directors of a small > > company in which I own stock; they have to pay me my share > > of funds they misappropriated from the company. > > > Since I am just receiving reimbursement for damages, I don't > > think it is a taxable event. However, if they hadn't > > misappropriated the funds my investment would be worth more, > > which would ultimately be taxed as capital gains; so perhaps > > it is taxable. I am confused. Taxable to me or not? > > > The company originally deducted the improper payments to the > > directors. Does the company have to refile to backout the > > deductions (since they are illegal, they obviously weren't > > deductable); or is a lawsuit verdict not relevant? > I can't tell if you are more interested in what you have to > do or what they have to do? have to do is important. - quote - > I still do not quite understand what your losses were that
They misappropriated money. My lawyer says I have to chose> you had to sue to recover. between them paying my loss to me directly, or having them pay the entire loss back to the company; since the Judge found for me on both, but I can only get one. I am trying to figure out which is better. Perhaps they are ultimately the same. - quote - > But the general rule is unless the settlement is to
So, if the award was $100k, my basis $250k, and I later sold> compensate you for your personal physical injury or disease > and you name is not Murphy, then the settlement is taxable.o > However, if your automobile was damaged and you sue to > recover actual provable losses, that would not be taxable > either. > If you bought stock in this compoany and later sold it for > less than you could have due to actions for which you were > awarded damages, you would report the income on Schedule D, > short term or long term, depending on the original sale. > If you still held the stock, this award would decrease your > basis but not below zero. Income in excess of basis is short > or long term gain. the stock a few years later for $500,000, I would have a capital gain of $350k. Is that right? << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| Ted wrote: - quote - > The company originally deducted the improper payments to the
The applicable tax statute is not so broad as to include all> directors. Does the company have to refile to backout the > deductions (since they are illegal, they obviously weren't > deductible); or is a lawsuit verdict not relevant? "illegality." If no criminal statute involved, it's a matter of whether the payments were ordinary and necessary business expenses. The facts which led to the court's conclusion and the corporation law cited may or may not be relevant to the deductibility. Fred F. << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| Ted wrote: - quote - > I just won a lawsuit against the directors of a small
This may (or may not) be helpful:> company in which I own stock; they have to pay me my share > of funds they misappropriated from the company. > Since I am just receiving reimbursement for damages, I don't > think it is a taxable event. However, if they hadn't > misappropriated the funds my investment would be worth more, > which would ultimately be taxed as capital gains; so perhaps > it is taxable. I am confused. Taxable to me or not? > The company originally deducted the improper payments to the > directors. Does the company have to refile to backout the > deductions (since they are illegal, they obviously weren't > deductable); or is a lawsuit verdict not relevant? http://www.irstaxtrouble.com/2006/10...ay-not-be.html Gary << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| Ted <Ted666[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > I just won a lawsuit against the directors of a small
I can't tell if you are more interested in what you have to> company in which I own stock; they have to pay me my share > of funds they misappropriated from the company. > Since I am just receiving reimbursement for damages, I don't > think it is a taxable event. However, if they hadn't > misappropriated the funds my investment would be worth more, > which would ultimately be taxed as capital gains; so perhaps > it is taxable. I am confused. Taxable to me or not? > The company originally deducted the improper payments to the > directors. Does the company have to refile to backout the > deductions (since they are illegal, they obviously weren't > deductable); or is a lawsuit verdict not relevant? do or what they have to do? I still do not quite understand what your losses were that you had to sue to recover. But the general rule is unless the settlement is to compensate you for your personal physical injury or disease and you name is not Murphy, then the settlement is taxable.o However, if your automobile was damaged and you sue to recover actual provable losses, that would not be taxable either. If you bought stock in this compoany and later sold it for less than you could have due to actions for which you were awarded damages, you would report the income on Schedule D, short term or long term, depending on the original sale. If you still held the stock, this award would decrease your basis but not below zero. Income in excess of basis is short or long term gain. __ Art Kamlet ArtKamlet [at] AOL.com Columbus OH K2PZH << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| "Ted" <Ted666[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > I just won a lawsuit against the directors of a small
The part that pays you back for your principal investment> company in which I own stock; they have to pay me my share > of funds they misappropriated from the company. > Since I am just receiving reimbursement for damages, I don't > think it is a taxable event. However, if they hadn't > misappropriated the funds my investment would be worth more, > which would ultimately be taxed as capital gains; so perhaps > it is taxable. I am confused. Taxable to me or not? (funds you already paid taxes on) is not taxable. Anything in excess of that might be capital gain, or might be ordinary income, depending on the exact nature of your losses and the exact wording if the court's order. Stu << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| "Ted" <Ted666[at]yahoo.com> wrote - quote - > I just won a lawsuit against the directors of a small
Yes, it is going to be taxable.> company in which I own stock; they have to pay me my share > of funds they misappropriated from the company. > Since I am just receiving reimbursement for damages, I don't > think it is a taxable event. - quote - > However, if they hadn't misappropriated the funds my investment
Taxable. But the amount may be partly a return of your> would be worth more, which would ultimately be taxed as > capital gains; so perhaps it is taxable. I am confused. Taxable to > me or not? investment, so maybe not all of it, depending on if you still hold stock, and if not, how you recorded the event. - quote - > The company originally deducted the improper payments to the
Unless it's an "S" corporation, how they handle it isn't of> directors. Does the company have to refile to backout the > deductions (since they are illegal, they obviously weren't > deductable); or is a lawsuit verdict not relevant? concern to you. If it is an "S" corp, and you still own stock, you would have several things happening, so consult the corporate attorney AND your own attorney or tax advisor (CPA or EA) on the topic. -- Paul A. Thomas, CPA Athens, Georgia << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| I just won a lawsuit against the directors of a small company in which I own stock; they have to pay me my share of funds they misappropriated from the company. Since I am just receiving reimbursement for damages, I don't think it is a taxable event. However, if they hadn't misappropriated the funds my investment would be worth more, which would ultimately be taxed as capital gains; so perhaps it is taxable. I am confused. Taxable to me or not? The company originally deducted the improper payments to the directors. Does the company have to refile to backout the deductions (since they are illegal, they obviously weren't deductable); or is a lawsuit verdict not relevant? << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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