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Old 11-01-2006, 08:52 PM
Arthur Kamlet
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Ted <Ted666[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
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> "Arthur Kamlet" <kamlet[at]panix.com> wrote:
> > Ted <Ted666[at]yahoo.com> wrote:


> > > I just won a lawsuit against the directors of a small
> > > company in which I own stock; they have to pay me my share
> > > of funds they misappropriated from the company.
> > > > > Since I am just receiving reimbursement for damages, I don't
> > > think it is a taxable event. However, if they hadn't
> > > misappropriated the funds my investment would be worth more,
> > > which would ultimately be taxed as capital gains; so perhaps
> > > it is taxable. I am confused. Taxable to me or not?
> > > > > The company originally deducted the improper payments to the
> > > directors. Does the company have to refile to backout the
> > > deductions (since they are illegal, they obviously weren't
> > > deductable); or is a lawsuit verdict not relevant?


> > I can't tell if you are more interested in what you have to
> > do or what they have to do?


> Both. Since I am still a significant stockholder, what they
> have to do is important.


> > I still do not quite understand what your losses were that
> > you had to sue to recover.


> They misappropriated money. My lawyer says I have to chose
> between them paying my loss to me directly, or having them
> pay the entire loss back to the company; since the Judge
> found for me on both, but I can only get one. I am trying to
> figure out which is better. Perhaps they are ultimately the
> same.


> > But the general rule is unless the settlement is to
> > compensate you for your personal physical injury or disease
> > and you name is not Murphy, then the settlement is taxable.o
> > > However, if your automobile was damaged and you sue to

> > recover actual provable losses, that would not be taxable
> > either.
> > > If you bought stock in this compoany and later sold it for

> > less than you could have due to actions for which you were
> > awarded damages, you would report the income on Schedule D,
> > short term or long term, depending on the original sale.
> > If you still held the stock, this award would decrease your
> > basis but not below zero. Income in excess of basis is short
> > or long term gain.


> So, if the award was $100k, my basis $250k, and I later sold
> the stock a few years later for $500,000, I would have a
> capital gain of $350k. Is that right?


Seems right to me. But you have a lawyer who, if he doesn't
understand the tax aspects, could ask someone who does.

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Old 10-31-2006, 05:28 AM
Ted
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Default Re: Are lawsuit awards taxable?

"Arthur Kamlet" <kamlet[at]panix.com> wrote:
- quote -

> Ted <Ted666[at]yahoo.com> wrote:

> > I just won a lawsuit against the directors of a small
> > company in which I own stock; they have to pay me my share
> > of funds they misappropriated from the company.
> > > Since I am just receiving reimbursement for damages, I don't

> > think it is a taxable event. However, if they hadn't
> > misappropriated the funds my investment would be worth more,
> > which would ultimately be taxed as capital gains; so perhaps
> > it is taxable. I am confused. Taxable to me or not?
> > > The company originally deducted the improper payments to the

> > directors. Does the company have to refile to backout the
> > deductions (since they are illegal, they obviously weren't
> > deductable); or is a lawsuit verdict not relevant?


> I can't tell if you are more interested in what you have to
> do or what they have to do?


Both. Since I am still a significant stockholder, what they
have to do is important.

- quote -

> I still do not quite understand what your losses were that
> you had to sue to recover.


They misappropriated money. My lawyer says I have to chose
between them paying my loss to me directly, or having them
pay the entire loss back to the company; since the Judge
found for me on both, but I can only get one. I am trying to
figure out which is better. Perhaps they are ultimately the
same.

- quote -

> But the general rule is unless the settlement is to
> compensate you for your personal physical injury or disease
> and you name is not Murphy, then the settlement is taxable.o
> However, if your automobile was damaged and you sue to
> recover actual provable losses, that would not be taxable
> either.
> If you bought stock in this compoany and later sold it for
> less than you could have due to actions for which you were
> awarded damages, you would report the income on Schedule D,
> short term or long term, depending on the original sale.
> If you still held the stock, this award would decrease your
> basis but not below zero. Income in excess of basis is short
> or long term gain.


So, if the award was $100k, my basis $250k, and I later sold
the stock a few years later for $500,000, I would have a
capital gain of $350k. Is that right?

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Old 10-31-2006, 05:28 AM
TxSrv
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Default Re: Are lawsuit awards taxable?

Ted wrote:

- quote -

> The company originally deducted the improper payments to the
> directors. Does the company have to refile to backout the
> deductions (since they are illegal, they obviously weren't
> deductible); or is a lawsuit verdict not relevant?


The applicable tax statute is not so broad as to include all
"illegality." If no criminal statute involved, it's a
matter of whether the payments were ordinary and necessary
business expenses. The facts which led to the court's
conclusion and the corporation law cited may or may not be
relevant to the deductibility.

Fred F.

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Old 10-30-2006, 06:31 AM
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Default Re: Are lawsuit awards taxable?

Ted wrote:

- quote -

> I just won a lawsuit against the directors of a small
> company in which I own stock; they have to pay me my share
> of funds they misappropriated from the company.
> Since I am just receiving reimbursement for damages, I don't
> think it is a taxable event. However, if they hadn't
> misappropriated the funds my investment would be worth more,
> which would ultimately be taxed as capital gains; so perhaps
> it is taxable. I am confused. Taxable to me or not?
> The company originally deducted the improper payments to the
> directors. Does the company have to refile to backout the
> deductions (since they are illegal, they obviously weren't
> deductable); or is a lawsuit verdict not relevant?


This may (or may not) be helpful:

http://www.irstaxtrouble.com/2006/10...ay-not-be.html

Gary

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Old 10-30-2006, 06:31 AM
Arthur Kamlet
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Default Re: Are lawsuit awards taxable?

Ted <Ted666[at]yahoo.com> wrote:

- quote -

> I just won a lawsuit against the directors of a small
> company in which I own stock; they have to pay me my share
> of funds they misappropriated from the company.
> Since I am just receiving reimbursement for damages, I don't
> think it is a taxable event. However, if they hadn't
> misappropriated the funds my investment would be worth more,
> which would ultimately be taxed as capital gains; so perhaps
> it is taxable. I am confused. Taxable to me or not?
> The company originally deducted the improper payments to the
> directors. Does the company have to refile to backout the
> deductions (since they are illegal, they obviously weren't
> deductable); or is a lawsuit verdict not relevant?


I can't tell if you are more interested in what you have to
do or what they have to do?

I still do not quite understand what your losses were that
you had to sue to recover.

But the general rule is unless the settlement is to
compensate you for your personal physical injury or disease
and you name is not Murphy, then the settlement is taxable.o

However, if your automobile was damaged and you sue to
recover actual provable losses, that would not be taxable
either.

If you bought stock in this compoany and later sold it for
less than you could have due to actions for which you were
awarded damages, you would report the income on Schedule D,
short term or long term, depending on the original sale.
If you still held the stock, this award would decrease your
basis but not below zero. Income in excess of basis is short
or long term gain.

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Art Kamlet ArtKamlet [at] AOL.com Columbus OH K2PZH

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Old 10-30-2006, 06:31 AM
Stuart A. Bronstein
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Default Re: Are lawsuit awards taxable?

"Ted" <Ted666[at]yahoo.com> wrote:

- quote -

> I just won a lawsuit against the directors of a small
> company in which I own stock; they have to pay me my share
> of funds they misappropriated from the company.
> Since I am just receiving reimbursement for damages, I don't
> think it is a taxable event. However, if they hadn't
> misappropriated the funds my investment would be worth more,
> which would ultimately be taxed as capital gains; so perhaps
> it is taxable. I am confused. Taxable to me or not?


The part that pays you back for your principal investment
(funds you already paid taxes on) is not taxable. Anything
in excess of that might be capital gain, or might be
ordinary income, depending on the exact nature of your
losses and the exact wording if the court's order.

Stu

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Old 10-30-2006, 06:22 AM
Paul Thomas
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"Ted" <Ted666[at]yahoo.com> wrote

- quote -

> I just won a lawsuit against the directors of a small
> company in which I own stock; they have to pay me my share
> of funds they misappropriated from the company.
> Since I am just receiving reimbursement for damages, I don't
> think it is a taxable event.


Yes, it is going to be taxable.

- quote -

> However, if they hadn't misappropriated the funds my investment
> would be worth more, which would ultimately be taxed as
> capital gains; so perhaps it is taxable. I am confused. Taxable to
> me or not?


Taxable. But the amount may be partly a return of your
investment, so maybe not all of it, depending on if you still
hold stock, and if not, how you recorded the event.

- quote -

> The company originally deducted the improper payments to the
> directors. Does the company have to refile to backout the
> deductions (since they are illegal, they obviously weren't
> deductable); or is a lawsuit verdict not relevant?


Unless it's an "S" corporation, how they handle it isn't of
concern to you.

If it is an "S" corp, and you still own stock, you would have
several things happening, so consult the corporate attorney
AND your own attorney or tax advisor (CPA or EA) on the topic.

--
Paul A. Thomas, CPA
Athens, Georgia

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Old 10-28-2006, 10:40 PM
Ted
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Default Are lawsuit awards taxable?

I just won a lawsuit against the directors of a small
company in which I own stock; they have to pay me my share
of funds they misappropriated from the company.

Since I am just receiving reimbursement for damages, I don't
think it is a taxable event. However, if they hadn't
misappropriated the funds my investment would be worth more,
which would ultimately be taxed as capital gains; so perhaps
it is taxable. I am confused. Taxable to me or not?

The company originally deducted the improper payments to the
directors. Does the company have to refile to backout the
deductions (since they are illegal, they obviously weren't
deductable); or is a lawsuit verdict not relevant?

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