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| Prof wrote: - quote - > Thanks all for the responses so far. Some more details:
<Big snip by Moderator> 1) I did claim foreign income exclusion in the federal > returns. > 2) the treaty between the US and X, and between X and Y > (Y = Spain) is the "model" treaty (my case falls unders > Article 20 "Teachers and Researchers") > 3) the treaty between US and Spain is slightly different, and > I paste below the relevant articles 4 and 22. I also > paste the relevant two articles of the treaty between X > and Spain. > Given all this, some of my specific questions/concerns are: > a) It seems to me that according to article 4, paragraph 1 > of the US-Spain I should be considered resident of both > states, but that according to paragraph 2, since I'm not > currently living in the US and my salary is from Y, my > "center of vital interests" is Y. However perhaps I can > claim to be in paragraph 2(d), since I do have economic > relations in both states and an address in both. > b) in the US-Spain treaty there is no provision for > "Teachers and Professors". Article 22 is only about > "Students and Trainees" so I don't know if it applies to my > case. Assuming it does, under paragraph 1.a.(iii), then it > seems to me that independently of my current status, I can > claim that before coming here I was a US resident, and so > the provisions of the article do apply to my case. > What do you think? > Thanks again. As Y is Spain and the treaty with Spain does not include an article for Teachers & Professors (you don't fall under the Student Article) your income is not exempt. Also see IRS Pub 901 that lists those countries that provide an exemption for professors and researchers. Spain is not listed. << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| Thanks all for the responses so far. Some more details: 1) I did claim foreign income exclusion in the federal returns. 2) the treaty between the US and X, and between X and Y (Y = Spain) is the "model" treaty (my case falls unders Article 20 "Teachers and Researchers") 3) the treaty between US and Spain is slightly different, and I paste below the relevant articles 4 and 22. I also paste the relevant two articles of the treaty between X and Spain. Given all this, some of my specific questions/concerns are: a) It seems to me that according to article 4, paragraph 1 of the US-Spain I should be considered resident of both states, but that according to paragraph 2, since I'm not currently living in the US and my salary is from Y, my "center of vital interests" is Y. However perhaps I can claim to be in paragraph 2(d), since I do have economic relations in both states and an address in both. b) in the US-Spain treaty there is no provision for "Teachers and Professors". Article 22 is only about "Students and Trainees" so I don't know if it applies to my case. Assuming it does, under paragraph 1.a.(iii), then it seems to me that independently of my current status, I can claim that before coming here I was a US resident, and so the provisions of the article do apply to my case. What do you think? Thanks again. -------------- ARTICLE 4 Residence 1. For the purposes of this Convention, the term "resident of a Contracting State" means any person who, under the laws of that State, is liable to tax therein by reason of his domicile, residence, place of management, place of incorporation, or any other criterion of similar nature, provided, however, that this term does not include any person who is liable to tax in that State in respect only of income from sources in that State. 2. Where by reason of the provisions of paragraph 1, an individual is a resident of both Contracting States, then his status shall be determined as follows: (a) he shall be deemed to be a resident of the State in which he has a permanent home available to him; if he has a permanent home available to him in both States, he shall be deemed to be a resident of the State with which his personal and economic relations are closer (center of vital interests); (b) if the State in which he has his center of vital interests cannot be determined, or if he does not have a permanent home available to him in either State, he shall be deemed to be a resident of the State in which he has an habitual abode; (c) if he has an habitual abode in both States or in neither of them, he shall be deemed to be a resident of the State of which he is a national; (d) if he is a national of both States or of neither of them, the competent authorities of the Contracting States shall settle the question by mutual agreement. 3. Where by reason of the provisions of paragraph 1, a person other than an individual is a resident of both Contracting States, the competent authorities of the Contracting States shall endeavor to settle the question by mutual agreement and determine the mode of application of the Convention to such person. If the competent authorities are unable to make such a determination, the person shall not be treated as a resident of either Contracting State except for the purposes of payments of such person covered by paragraphs 1 through 4 or Article 10 (Dividends), Article 11 (Interest), and Article 12 (Royalties). ARTICLE 22 Students and Trainees 1. (a) An individual who is a resident of a Contracting State at the beginning of his visit to the other Contracting State and who is temporarily present in that other Contracting State for Page 18 the primary purpose of: (i) studying at a university or other accredited educational institution in that other Contracting State, or (ii) securing training required to qualify him to practice a profession or professional specialty, or (iii) studying or doing research as a recipient of a grant, allowance, or award from a governmental, religious, charitable, scientific, literary, or educational organization, shall be exempt from tax by that other Contracting State with respect to the amounts described in subparagraph (b) of this paragraph for a period not exceeding five years from the date of his arrival in that other Contracting State. (b) The amounts referred to in subparagraph (a) of this paragraph are: (i) payments from abroad, other than compensation for personal services, for the purpose of his maintenance, education, study, research, or training; (ii) the grant, allowance, or award; and (iii) income from personal services performed in that other Contracting State in an aggregate amount not in excess of 5,000 United States dollars or its equivalent in Spanish pesetas for any taxable year. 2. An individual who is a resident of a Contracting State at the beginning of his visit to the other Contracting State and who is temporarily present in that other Contracting State as an employee of, or under contract with, a resident of the first-mentioned Contracting State, for the primary purpose of: (a) acquiring technical, professional, or business experience from a person other than that resident of the first-mentioned Contracting State, or (b) studying at a university or other accredited educational institution in that other Contracting State, shall be exempt from tax by that other Contracting State for a period of 12 consecutive months with respect to his income from personal services in an aggregate amount not in excess of 8,000 United States dollars or its equivalent in Spanish pesetas. 3. This article shall not apply to income from research if such research is undertaken not in the public interest but primarily for the private benefit of a specific person or persons. --------- Moderator: There is no greater tax scam than being an Artical 20 academic. I spent a few years trying to pull it off. It's hard work to make the connections. But you pay no taxes on your income! << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| Prof wrote: - quote - > I'm a US permanent resident but I've been living and working
As you haven't told us the name of Country Y, what does the> in country X for 1.5 years and then in country Y for 1 year > (neither of which are my countries of nationality). > Both X and Y have tax treaties with the US under which > researchers and professors are exempted from paying income > tax (in X and Y) for the first two years. I'm a researcher: > can I claim the exemption in Y, even if I've lived in X > before coming to Y ? I've been filing US tax returns in the > last 3 years. tax treaty between Y & the US say is the definition of a resident and what does it say in the Article that provides the exemption? << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| Prof wrote: - quote - > I'm a US permanent resident
As a U.S. permanent resident you are subject to U.S. tax on> can I claim the exemption in Y, even if I've lived in X > before coming to Y ? your worldwide income. As a result, you are likely a U.S. resident under the applicable tax treaties of country X and country Y. Thus, you likely meet the requirements under the U.S.-Country Y treaty. << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| "Prof" <papocchio9[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > I'm a US permanent resident but I've been living and working
Without knowing which countries you are talking about, we> in country X for 1.5 years and then in country Y for 1 year > (neither of which are my countries of nationality). > Both X and Y have tax treaties with the US under which > researchers and professors are exempted from paying income > tax (in X and Y) for the first two years. I'm a researcher: > can I claim the exemption in Y, even if I've lived in X > before coming to Y ? I've been filing US tax returns in the > last 3 years. cannot look at the specific treaties. However, this provision seems to be a common feature of most, if not all, tax treaties, it is possible to make some generalizations. It the provisions are like the model, you would not have to pay tax to wither country X for the time you spent there. You would have t compy with that country's laws and regulations to claim the exemption, however. Nor would you have to pay tax for up to 2 years in country Y. Again, complying with the appropriate laws and rules. The standard treaty provisions do NOT exempt you from any US tax. You might qualfy for the foreign earned income exclusion, however. It would be necessary for you to qualify for this exclusion on the physical presence rules, as the treaty provision prevents you from meeting the bona fide resident requirements. Lanny K. Williams, CPA Nawarat, Williams & Co., Ltd. Income Tax Services for Expatriate Americans << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| I'm a US permanent resident but I've been living and working in country X for 1.5 years and then in country Y for 1 year (neither of which are my countries of nationality). Both X and Y have tax treaties with the US under which researchers and professors are exempted from paying income tax (in X and Y) for the first two years. I'm a researcher: can I claim the exemption in Y, even if I've lived in X before coming to Y ? I've been filing US tax returns in the last 3 years. Thanks. << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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