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| <JamesAndCourtney.bowen[at]gmail.com> wrote: - quote - > I am a US citizen starting a business and ran into an
I can't address your entire post since I don't do foreign> interesting IRS tax question: My company would provide > services to mostly-American businesses, but our work would > be done in Malaysia (as a Malaysian Corporation) - I and my > employees would be living and working there. (Malaysia > doesn't have a tax treaty with the USA.). That company will > take its Malaysian income tax-free (based on Malaysian tax > incentives) and will pay me tax-free income in the form of > dividends. (The payment has to be as dividends or I'll be > taxed heavily in Malaysia.) I would like to immediately > repatriate that money to the USA. Ideally, it would be done > in one of two ways: > 1. The income is considered earned income by my wife and I. > (We'll both be working full-time for the firm.) We will pay > Self Employment Tax on the income, but will be exempted for > up to $80,000 of income each (total of $160,000 exempted) > from Federal Income tax. Because we won't have residence in > a state, we'll also be exempt from state tax. > 2. The income is considered unearned, unqualified dividend > income from a Controlled Foreign Corporation. ("Controlled" > by me, a US-citizen.) I will thus have to pay Federal Income > Tax at my full personal tax rate. However, as it is not > earned (self-employment) income, I will NOT be subject to > self-employment tax / FICA. Again, we'd have no state > residence, and would therefore be exempt from state tax. > In either case, clearly I'm hoping to avoid all of the > following: > 1. Paying state income tax for work done outside of the USA. > 2. Paying both Federal Income tax (not shielded by the > Foreign Earned Income Exclusion) and Self-Employment Tax > or FICA. > 3. Somehow getting stuck paying corporate income taxes > (double-taxation) in the USA since I am the sole > shareholder and a US citizen, and since my company is > selling to US businesses. > I suppose then, the questions are these: > 1. Does it matter if do business as an LLC locally (in > USA;North Carolina) while I'm starting the business here, as > long as later on, when I personally work and hire workers in > Malaysia, I keep clear records showing that the work is then > being done in a foreign country, under a foreign company's > name? Do any other steps need to be taken to make sure the > IRS doesn't consider that income to be locally earned or > subject to US Corporate tax? > 2. Would my dividend income (which is a dividend on paper > but really earned by my wife and I as full-time workers in > the company) be considered earned income for purposes of the > foreign earned income exclusion? > 3. If it isn't earned income (and therefore taxable), does > that mean Self-Employment Tax and FICA are exempted? > (Note, I'd be there for years and would thus meet the tax > home, bona fide residence, etc. tests.) Am I on the right > track here? Or setting myself up for a nasty tax surprise? corporation work. But I wanted to mention that just because you are living overseas doesn't mean you are exempt from state tax. You'd pay no state tax if your last state of residence had no state tax. Some states are confirming states - meaning if you get the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion on the Federal return you also get it on the state return (Maryland is one of these states). But there are also states that do NOT honor the foreign earned income exclusion - California comes to mind. You should check with a tax pro familiar with your state of residence to make sure you get it right. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| I am a US citizen starting a business and ran into an interesting IRS tax question: My company would provide services to mostly-American businesses, but our work would be done in Malaysia (as a Malaysian Corporation) - I and my employees would be living and working there. (Malaysia doesn't have a tax treaty with the USA.). That company will take its Malaysian income tax-free (based on Malaysian tax incentives) and will pay me tax-free income in the form of dividends. (The payment has to be as dividends or I'll be taxed heavily in Malaysia.) I would like to immediately repatriate that money to the USA. Ideally, it would be done in one of two ways: 1. The income is considered earned income by my wife and I. (We'll both be working full-time for the firm.) We will pay Self Employment Tax on the income, but will be exempted for up to $80,000 of income each (total of $160,000 exempted) from Federal Income tax. Because we won't have residence in a state, we'll also be exempt from state tax. 2. The income is considered unearned, unqualified dividend income from a Controlled Foreign Corporation. ("Controlled" by me, a US-citizen.) I will thus have to pay Federal Income Tax at my full personal tax rate. However, as it is not earned (self-employment) income, I will NOT be subject to self-employment tax / FICA. Again, we'd have no state residence, and would therefore be exempt from state tax. In either case, clearly I'm hoping to avoid all of the following: 1. Paying state income tax for work done outside of the USA. 2. Paying both Federal Income tax (not shielded by the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion) and Self-Employment Tax or FICA. 3. Somehow getting stuck paying corporate income taxes (double-taxation) in the USA since I am the sole shareholder and a US citizen, and since my company is selling to US businesses. I suppose then, the questions are these: 1. Does it matter if do business as an LLC locally (in USA;North Carolina) while I'm starting the business here, as long as later on, when I personally work and hire workers in Malaysia, I keep clear records showing that the work is then being done in a foreign country, under a foreign company's name? Do any other steps need to be taken to make sure the IRS doesn't consider that income to be locally earned or subject to US Corporate tax? 2. Would my dividend income (which is a dividend on paper but really earned by my wife and I as full-time workers in the company) be considered earned income for purposes of the foreign earned income exclusion? 3. If it isn't earned income (and therefore taxable), does that mean Self-Employment Tax and FICA are exempted? (Note, I'd be there for years and would thus meet the tax home, bona fide residence, etc. tests.) Am I on the right track here? Or setting myself up for a nasty tax surprise? Thanks in advance! Moderator: It is a priviledge to live in the Promised Land of North Carolina! << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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