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| Arthur Kamlet <ArtKamlet[at]aol.REMOVE.com> wrote: - quote - > On same day exercise and sale, the tax bill is the same for
Is it true that the treatment is the same with respect> statutory (ISOs) and NQSOs. > You might want to find out if these were ISOs or NQSOs, but > the tax treatment on same day ex/sale is the same. to FICA and Medicare? Steve << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| Larry Israel <VSLARRY[at]weizmann.weizmann.ac.il> wrote: - quote - > Someone holds stock options given by an employer, based on
Pretty correct. Assuming the stock is publically traded,> the profit the employer made. The options were > non-transferrable, so I assume that they were statutory > options. The options are then held for over two years, and > the stock bought, and then sold immediately. As I read the > example on page 11 of Publication 205 (for 2005), bottom of > the middle column, the amount that the value of the stock > exceeded the option price on the day the option was > exercised is ordinary income. Any increase after that is a > capital gain. But since the stock was sold immediately, it > was not held for a year, and so the entire gain is ordinary > income. > Is my understanding correct? the amount of ordinary income is determined by the closing price of the stock on the day it was sold, and sets the basis for the sale. Since the sale itself occured intra-day, it generally was at a slightly different price than the closing price, thus creating a small gain or loss. Steve << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| Larry Israel wrote: - quote - > Someone holds stock options given by an employer, based on
Not quite. The capital gain is a short-term capital gain and> the profit the employer made. The options were > non-transferrable, so I assume that they were statutory > options. The options are then held for over two years, and > the stock bought, and then sold immediately. As I read the > example on page 11 of Publication 205 (for 2005), bottom of > the middle column, the amount that the value of the stock > exceeded the option price on the day the option was > exercised is ordinary income. Any increase after that is a > capital gain. But since the stock was sold immediately, it > was not held for a year, and so the entire gain is ordinary > income. > Is my understanding correct? is taxed at the same rate as ordinary income. The difference between exercise price and stock value on day of exercise is treated as wage income and is reported to you on your W-2. The difference between the cost of the stock and value of the stock when sold is capital gain and is reported on Sch. D. If the stock is sold on the same day the options were exercised, there should be little or no capital gain and there may be a small loss if there were fees charged to sell the stock. Dennis << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| VSLARRY[at]weizmann.weizmann.ac.il (Larry Israel) wrote: - quote - > Someone holds stock options given by an employer, based on
You should also have a small short term capital loss,> the profit the employer made. The options were > non-transferrable, so I assume that they were statutory > options. The options are then held for over two years, and > the stock bought, and then sold immediately. As I read the > example on page 11 of Publication 205 (for 2005), bottom of > the middle column, the amount that the value of the stock > exceeded the option price on the day the option was > exercised is ordinary income. Any increase after that is a > capital gain. But since the stock was sold immediately, it > was not held for a year, and so the entire gain is ordinary > income. > Is my understanding correct? reported on Schedule D, if you paid a commission to buy and then sell the stock. This is the difference between the value of the stock and the amount you received before taxes. -- Vic Roberts Replace xxx with vdr in e-mail address. << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| Larry Israel <VSLARRY[at]weizmann.weizmann.ac.il> wrote: - quote - > Someone holds stock options given by an employer, based on
On same day exercise and sale, the tax bill is the same for> the profit the employer made. The options were > non-transferrable, so I assume that they were statutory > options. The options are then held for over two years, and > the stock bought, and then sold immediately. As I read the > example on page 11 of Publication 205 (for 2005), bottom of > the middle column, the amount that the value of the stock > exceeded the option price on the day the option was > exercised is ordinary income. Any increase after that is a > capital gain. But since the stock was sold immediately, it > was not held for a year, and so the entire gain is ordinary > income. > Is my understanding correct? statutory (ISOs) and NQSOs. You might want to find out if these were ISOs or NQSOs, but the tax treatment on same day ex/sale is the same. The difference between fair market value upon exercise and exercise price is called the bargain element and is taxed as ordinary income, and added to the W-2 form. So if it's on the W-2 form, there's no need to do anythiong special except transfer the W-2 figures to Form 1040. The broker should issue a 1099-B showing sale of the stock that was acquired through option exercise. On Sch D, show a short term sale equal to the 1099-B amount and the cost basis should exceed that amount by the amount of broker's fee/commission, resulting in a small Sch D loss. __ Art Kamlet ArtKamlet [at] AOL.com Columbus OH K2PZH << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| Someone holds stock options given by an employer, based on the profit the employer made. The options were non-transferrable, so I assume that they were statutory options. The options are then held for over two years, and the stock bought, and then sold immediately. As I read the example on page 11 of Publication 205 (for 2005), bottom of the middle column, the amount that the value of the stock exceeded the option price on the day the option was exercised is ordinary income. Any increase after that is a capital gain. But since the stock was sold immediately, it was not held for a year, and so the entire gain is ordinary income. Is my understanding correct? << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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