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Old 06-08-2006, 06:22 PM
Seth Breidbart
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> If the executor is Child 1 (also a beneficiary) and the
> second beneficiary is Child 2, can I request (outside of the
> will) that both children consider gifting a portion (X%/2)
> of their inheritance to the nephew? Whether they do it or
> not would be entirely up to them.


The First Amendment says you can make any request you want.

Since there's no (legal) obligation on their part, it would
truly be a gift if they chose to make it.

Seth

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Old 06-08-2006, 06:03 PM
Ira Smilovitz
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"njoracle" <njoracle[at]att.net> wrote:
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> Ira Smilovitz wrote:
> > "njoracle" <njoracle[at]att.net> wrote:


> > > Is there any other legal way around this? For example, if I
> > > leave a note to my executor to deduct X% due my children and
> > > give that to my nephew, would that bypass the tax. Or is
> > > there still a tax involved even though it is not part of the
> > > will?


> > NJ imposes both an estate tax and an inheritance tax. The
> > inheritance tax only affects certain classes of
> > beneficiaries, a nephew being one of them. It is taken
> > directly from any bequest or transfer before it reaches the
> > nephew. Leaving a note to your executor will be useless.
> > Your executor cannot do anything that is not explicitly
> > permitted or directed by your will. If he were to give X% to
> > your nephew, your other beneficiaries could sue the executor
> > personally for their full share of your estate.


> If the executor is Child 1 (also a beneficiary) and the
> second beneficiary is Child 2, can I request (outside of the
> will) that both children consider gifting a portion (X%/2)
> of their inheritance to the nephew? Whether they do it or
> not would be entirely up to them.


While that would work, I wouldn't want to rely on the
nonbinding assurances of others (even those of my children),
just to save 15%. Why not just gross up the amount of the
bequest so that the nephew receives the desired amount after
taxes?

Ira Smilovitz

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Old 06-08-2006, 06:03 PM
Ira Smilovitz
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"Stuart A. Bronstein" <spamtrap[at]lexregia.com> wrote:
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> "Ira Smilovitz" <iras1[at]aol.com> wrote:
> > "njoracle" <njoracle[at]att.net> wrote:


> > > My tax/estate planner says not to put my nephew in the will
> > > since he will have to 15% on anything that comes to him
> > > through the will. (We both live in New Jersey). He suggested
> > > gifting in an advance.
> > > > > Is there any other legal way around this?


> > NJ imposes both an estate tax and an inheritance tax. The
> > inheritance tax only affects certain classes of
> > beneficiaries, a nephew being one of them. It is taken
> > directly from any bequest or transfer before it reaches the
> > nephew. Leaving a note to your executor will be useless.
> > Your executor cannot do anything that is not explicitly
> > permitted or directed by your will. If he were to give X% to
> > your nephew, your other beneficiaries could sue the executor
> > personally for their full share of your estate.


> I suppose the OP could create a bank or brokerage account in
> another state, and put his nephew on as a POD beneficiary.
> Would that work?


Not if the decedent is a resident of NJ at the time of
death. The transfer would still be subject to NJ Inheritance
tax.

Ira Smilovitz

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Old 06-08-2006, 06:03 PM
Phil Marti
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"njoracle" <njoracle[at]att.net> wrote:

- quote -

> If the executor is Child 1 (also a beneficiary) and the
> second beneficiary is Child 2, can I request (outside of the
> will) that both children consider gifting a portion (X%/2)
> of their inheritance to the nephew? Whether they do it or
> not would be entirely up to them.


Great idea if you want your legacy to be ripping the family
apart. Evidently you've never seen people go absolutely
whacko over an estate. You're lucky.

Look, the whole idea of having a will is to make sure what
you want to happen after your death happens. Getting cute
in an effort to stiff the state of New Jersey could easily
defeat your prime purpose.

Then again, you'll be dead, so what do you care?

--
Phil Marti
Clarksburg, MD

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Old 06-06-2006, 11:30 AM
Stuart A. Bronstein
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"Ira Smilovitz" <iras1[at]aol.com> wrote:
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> "njoracle" <njoracle[at]att.net> wrote:

> > My tax/estate planner says not to put my nephew in the will
> > since he will have to 15% on anything that comes to him
> > through the will. (We both live in New Jersey). He suggested
> > gifting in an advance.
> > > Is there any other legal way around this?


> NJ imposes both an estate tax and an inheritance tax. The
> inheritance tax only affects certain classes of
> beneficiaries, a nephew being one of them. It is taken
> directly from any bequest or transfer before it reaches the
> nephew. Leaving a note to your executor will be useless.
> Your executor cannot do anything that is not explicitly
> permitted or directed by your will. If he were to give X% to
> your nephew, your other beneficiaries could sue the executor
> personally for their full share of your estate.


I suppose the OP could create a bank or brokerage account in
another state, and put his nephew on as a POD beneficiary.
Would that work?

Stu

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Old 06-06-2006, 11:10 AM
njoracle
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Ira Smilovitz wrote:
- quote -

> "njoracle" <njoracle[at]att.net> wrote:

> > Is there any other legal way around this? For example, if I
> > leave a note to my executor to deduct X% due my children and
> > give that to my nephew, would that bypass the tax. Or is
> > there still a tax involved even though it is not part of the
> > will?


> NJ imposes both an estate tax and an inheritance tax. The
> inheritance tax only affects certain classes of
> beneficiaries, a nephew being one of them. It is taken
> directly from any bequest or transfer before it reaches the
> nephew. Leaving a note to your executor will be useless.
> Your executor cannot do anything that is not explicitly
> permitted or directed by your will. If he were to give X% to
> your nephew, your other beneficiaries could sue the executor
> personally for their full share of your estate.


If the executor is Child 1 (also a beneficiary) and the
second beneficiary is Child 2, can I request (outside of the
will) that both children consider gifting a portion (X%/2)
of their inheritance to the nephew? Whether they do it or
not would be entirely up to them.

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Old 06-04-2006, 05:13 AM
Ira Smilovitz
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"njoracle" <njoracle[at]att.net> wrote:

- quote -

> My tax/estate planner says not to put my nephew in the will
> since he will have to 15% on anything that comes to him
> through the will. (We both live in New Jersey). He suggested
> gifting in an advance.
> Is there any other legal way around this? For example, if I
> leave a note to my executor to deduct X% due my children and
> give that to my nephew, would that bypass the tax. Or is
> there still a tax involved even though it is not part of the
> will?


NJ imposes both an estate tax and an inheritance tax. The
inheritance tax only affects certain classes of
beneficiaries, a nephew being one of them. It is taken
directly from any bequest or transfer before it reaches the
nephew. Leaving a note to your executor will be useless.
Your executor cannot do anything that is not explicitly
permitted or directed by your will. If he were to give X% to
your nephew, your other beneficiaries could sue the executor
personally for their full share of your estate.

Ira Smilovitz

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Old 06-03-2006, 02:03 PM
njoracle
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Default Avoiding NJ Heritance on Bequeath to Nephew?

My tax/estate planner says not to put my nephew in the will
since he will have to 15% on anything that comes to him
through the will. (We both live in New Jersey). He suggested
gifting in an advance.

Is there any other legal way around this? For example, if I
leave a note to my executor to deduct X% due my children and
give that to my nephew, would that bypass the tax. Or is
there still a tax involved even though it is not part of the
will?

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