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Old 06-10-2006, 08:19 PM
Vijay Sharma
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Ed Zollars, CPA wrote:
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> Vijay Sharma wrote:

> > If I maintain separate accounts on the books for investment
> > and retained earnings (profit & loss), for distribution
> > purposes what do I pay out of first - retained earnings or
> > investment? Assume on prior C Corp earnings or PTI.


> It doesn't matter if you maintain different books--the
> distributions are governed by =A71368 which is concerned
> primarily with whether or not you have earnings and profits.
> In that case, distributions offset basis of the
> shareholder, then create capital gain (=A71368(b)).


> > If the distribution exceeds the shareholder basis
> > (investment + profit - loss - previous distribution), isn't
> > the excess treated as a capital gain to the shareholders?


> Yes, per =A71368(b)(2).


> > Correct me if I am wrong - this capital gain would go on
> > Schedule K (lines 7 or 8 on Form 1120S and lines 8 or 9 on
> > Form 1065), then to K-1s and Schedule Ds.


> This is a shareholder calculation, not a corporate one, so
> the K-1 only reports the total distribution. The taxpayer
> computes the effect of distributions and then would report
> any excess of distributions over basis on Schedule D. But
> the K-1 would not "pass out" any capital gain--that's only
> for gains recognized in the corporation itself.


> > In the situation above, is the total distribution paid
> > compared to the shareholder basis in total (of all
> > shareholders - as on the balance sheet) or distribution
> > amount to each shareholder compared to his/her basis?


> =A71368 is applied on a shareholder by shareholder basis,
> since shareholders don't have to have proportionate basis
> (such as if one purchased his shares or obtained them long
> after startup, or inherited the shares which would obtain a
> basis adjustment to FMV on the date of death or the
> alternate valuation date, as applicable).


> > In
> > the latter case, some shareholders' distribution could
> > exceed their basis and some would not, depending on each
> > case.


> That's correct--that's why it's a shareholder by shareholder
> calculation and why the corporation doesn't report it.


Thanks a lot for a very comprehensive reply.

Does the above answers hold true for a LLC as well, electing
to be taxed as a Partnership?

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Old 06-01-2006, 04:32 AM
Ed Zollars, CPA
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Default Re: Distributions by an S Corp and LLC taxed as a Partnership

Vijay Sharma wrote:

- quote -

> If I maintain separate accounts on the books for investment
> and retained earnings (profit & loss), for distribution
> purposes what do I pay out of first - retained earnings or
> investment? Assume on prior C Corp earnings or PTI.


It doesn't matter if you maintain different books--the
distributions are governed by =A71368 which is concerned
primarily with whether or not you have earnings and profits.
In that case, distributions offset basis of the
shareholder, then create capital gain (=A71368(b)).

- quote -

> If the distribution exceeds the shareholder basis
> (investment + profit - loss - previous distribution), isn't
> the excess treated as a capital gain to the shareholders?


Yes, per =A71368(b)(2).

- quote -

> Correct me if I am wrong - this capital gain would go on
> Schedule K (lines 7 or 8 on Form 1120S and lines 8 or 9 on
> Form 1065), then to K-1s and Schedule Ds.


This is a shareholder calculation, not a corporate one, so
the K-1 only reports the total distribution. The taxpayer
computes the effect of distributions and then would report
any excess of distributions over basis on Schedule D. But
the K-1 would not "pass out" any capital gain--that's only
for gains recognized in the corporation itself.

- quote -

> In the situation above, is the total distribution paid
> compared to the shareholder basis in total (of all
> shareholders - as on the balance sheet) or distribution
> amount to each shareholder compared to his/her basis?


=A71368 is applied on a shareholder by shareholder basis,
since shareholders don't have to have proportionate basis
(such as if one purchased his shares or obtained them long
after startup, or inherited the shares which would obtain a
basis adjustment to FMV on the date of death or the
alternate valuation date, as applicable).

- quote -

> In
> the latter case, some shareholders' distribution could
> exceed their basis and some would not, depending on each
> case.


That's correct--that's why it's a shareholder by shareholder
calculation and why the corporation doesn't report it.

--
Ed Zollars, CPA
Podcast at http://ezollars.libsyn.com

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Old 05-31-2006, 04:36 AM
Vijay Sharma
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Default Distributions by an S Corp and LLC taxed as a Partnership

If I maintain separate accounts on the books for investment
and retained earnings (profit & loss), for distribution
purposes what do I pay out of first - retained earnings or
investment? Assume on prior C Corp earnings or PTI.

If the distribution exceeds the shareholder basis
(investment + profit - loss - previous distribution), isn't
the excess treated as a capital gain to the shareholders?
Correct me if I am wrong - this capital gain would go on
Schedule K (lines 7 or 8 on Form 1120S and lines 8 or 9 on
Form 1065), then to K-1s and Schedule Ds.

In the situation above, is the total distribution paid
compared to the shareholder basis in total (of all
shareholders - as on the balance sheet) or distribution
amount to each shareholder compared to his/her basis? In
the latter case, some shareholders' distribution could
exceed their basis and some would not, depending on each
case.

<< ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== >
 

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