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| Ed Zollars, CPA wrote: - quote - > Vijay Sharma wrote:
Thanks a lot for a very comprehensive reply.> > If I maintain separate accounts on the books for investment > > and retained earnings (profit & loss), for distribution > > purposes what do I pay out of first - retained earnings or > > investment? Assume on prior C Corp earnings or PTI. > It doesn't matter if you maintain different books--the > distributions are governed by =A71368 which is concerned > primarily with whether or not you have earnings and profits. > In that case, distributions offset basis of the > shareholder, then create capital gain (=A71368(b)). > > If the distribution exceeds the shareholder basis > > (investment + profit - loss - previous distribution), isn't > > the excess treated as a capital gain to the shareholders? > Yes, per =A71368(b)(2). > > Correct me if I am wrong - this capital gain would go on > > Schedule K (lines 7 or 8 on Form 1120S and lines 8 or 9 on > > Form 1065), then to K-1s and Schedule Ds. > This is a shareholder calculation, not a corporate one, so > the K-1 only reports the total distribution. The taxpayer > computes the effect of distributions and then would report > any excess of distributions over basis on Schedule D. But > the K-1 would not "pass out" any capital gain--that's only > for gains recognized in the corporation itself. > > In the situation above, is the total distribution paid > > compared to the shareholder basis in total (of all > > shareholders - as on the balance sheet) or distribution > > amount to each shareholder compared to his/her basis? > =A71368 is applied on a shareholder by shareholder basis, > since shareholders don't have to have proportionate basis > (such as if one purchased his shares or obtained them long > after startup, or inherited the shares which would obtain a > basis adjustment to FMV on the date of death or the > alternate valuation date, as applicable). > > In > > the latter case, some shareholders' distribution could > > exceed their basis and some would not, depending on each > > case. > That's correct--that's why it's a shareholder by shareholder > calculation and why the corporation doesn't report it. Does the above answers hold true for a LLC as well, electing to be taxed as a Partnership? << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| Vijay Sharma wrote: - quote - > If I maintain separate accounts on the books for investment
It doesn't matter if you maintain different books--the> and retained earnings (profit & loss), for distribution > purposes what do I pay out of first - retained earnings or > investment? Assume on prior C Corp earnings or PTI. distributions are governed by =A71368 which is concerned primarily with whether or not you have earnings and profits. In that case, distributions offset basis of the shareholder, then create capital gain (=A71368(b)). - quote - > If the distribution exceeds the shareholder basis
Yes, per =A71368(b)(2).> (investment + profit - loss - previous distribution), isn't > the excess treated as a capital gain to the shareholders? - quote - > Correct me if I am wrong - this capital gain would go on
This is a shareholder calculation, not a corporate one, so> Schedule K (lines 7 or 8 on Form 1120S and lines 8 or 9 on > Form 1065), then to K-1s and Schedule Ds. the K-1 only reports the total distribution. The taxpayer computes the effect of distributions and then would report any excess of distributions over basis on Schedule D. But the K-1 would not "pass out" any capital gain--that's only for gains recognized in the corporation itself. - quote - > In the situation above, is the total distribution paid
=A71368 is applied on a shareholder by shareholder basis,> compared to the shareholder basis in total (of all > shareholders - as on the balance sheet) or distribution > amount to each shareholder compared to his/her basis? since shareholders don't have to have proportionate basis (such as if one purchased his shares or obtained them long after startup, or inherited the shares which would obtain a basis adjustment to FMV on the date of death or the alternate valuation date, as applicable). - quote - > In
That's correct--that's why it's a shareholder by shareholder> the latter case, some shareholders' distribution could > exceed their basis and some would not, depending on each > case. calculation and why the corporation doesn't report it. -- Ed Zollars, CPA Podcast at http://ezollars.libsyn.com << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| If I maintain separate accounts on the books for investment and retained earnings (profit & loss), for distribution purposes what do I pay out of first - retained earnings or investment? Assume on prior C Corp earnings or PTI. If the distribution exceeds the shareholder basis (investment + profit - loss - previous distribution), isn't the excess treated as a capital gain to the shareholders? Correct me if I am wrong - this capital gain would go on Schedule K (lines 7 or 8 on Form 1120S and lines 8 or 9 on Form 1065), then to K-1s and Schedule Ds. In the situation above, is the total distribution paid compared to the shareholder basis in total (of all shareholders - as on the balance sheet) or distribution amount to each shareholder compared to his/her basis? In the latter case, some shareholders' distribution could exceed their basis and some would not, depending on each case. << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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