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| Richard <rgc1042[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > Seth Breidbart wrote:
The wash sale rule only prevents you from taking a loss.> > Richard <rgc1042[at]yahoo.com> wrote: > > > I agree that you should not let "the tax tail wag the dog". > > > I don't intend to hold off making a decision on selling any > > > particular investment. What I would do is to look at any > > > stocks or mutual funds in 2008 (09-10 ??), select the one > > > that has appreciated the most since purchase, perhaps buy a > > > similar number of shares 31 days before (or after !) the > > > proposed date of sale. > > Why worry about the wash sale rule? It only prevents you > > from taking losses, not recognizing gains. > The point to doing this is not necessarily to sell off a > particular asset, but to increase the cost basis of whatever > asset class happens to have performed the best. If I have a > small cap value mutual fund with a low cost basis, by > selling and then repurchasing the same fund I now have a > 'stepped up' tax basis for some time in the future when I > may want or need to sell. You would still report the gain even if you sold and rebought on the same day. Seth << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| Seth Breidbart wrote: - quote - > Richard <rgc1042[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
The point to doing this is not necessarily to sell off a> > I agree that you should not let "the tax tail wag the dog". > > I don't intend to hold off making a decision on selling any > > particular investment. What I would do is to look at any > > stocks or mutual funds in 2008 (09-10 ??), select the one > > that has appreciated the most since purchase, perhaps buy a > > similar number of shares 31 days before (or after !) the > > proposed date of sale. > Why worry about the wash sale rule? It only prevents you > from taking losses, not recognizing gains. particular asset, but to increase the cost basis of whatever asset class happens to have performed the best. If I have a small cap value mutual fund with a low cost basis, by selling and then repurchasing the same fund I now have a 'stepped up' tax basis for some time in the future when I may want or need to sell. << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| Seth Breidbart wrote: - quote - > Richard <rgc1042[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
The point to doing this is not necessarily to sell off a> > I agree that you should not let "the tax tail wag the dog". > > I don't intend to hold off making a decision on selling any > > particular investment. What I would do is to look at any > > stocks or mutual funds in 2008 (09-10 ??), select the one > > that has appreciated the most since purchase, perhaps buy a > > similar number of shares 31 days before (or after !) the > > proposed date of sale. > Why worry about the wash sale rule? It only prevents you > from taking losses, not recognizing gains. particular asset, but to increase the cost basis of whatever asset class happens to have performed the best. If I have a small cap value mutual fund with a low cost basis, by selling and then repurchasing the same fund I now have a 'stepped up' tax basis for some time in the future when I may want or need to sell. << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| Richard <rgc1042[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > I agree that you should not let "the tax tail wag the dog".
Why worry about the wash sale rule? It only prevents you> I don't intend to hold off making a decision on selling any > particular investment. What I would do is to look at any > stocks or mutual funds in 2008 (09-10 ??), select the one > that has appreciated the most since purchase, perhaps buy a > similar number of shares 31 days before (or after !) the > proposed date of sale. from taking losses, not recognizing gains. Seth << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| - quote - > Phil Marti wrote:
I agree that you should not let "the tax tail wag the dog".> > "Richard" <rgc1042[at]yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Capital gains taxes in 2008 - 2010 for people in the 15 % or > > > less tax bracket will be 0 %. .... > > Just an aside. I think that's a safe bet for 2008, but pay > > attention to the elections in 2006 and 2008 before you plan > > on it for the other two years. It could change. > .... > Personally, I think even 2008 is not very likely. I'd > suggest if one has significant capital gains one would like > to capture to make their strategy for doing so essentially > independent of this additional "windfall". IOW, I'd not hold > off a lot based on this (likely to be illusory imo) window > as it could lead to both missing out on actually realizing > the gain by holding too long and not getting the foreseen > tax benefit, either. > Making investment decsions controlled by tax avoidance is > not a good strategy. That's not to say to not consider the > implications of any move, but to plan on such a long term > event as a major factor in a plan is premature at this > juncture imo. If it comes to pass that 2006 goes by with > the provisions still in place, _then_ there would be a > reasonable probability it might survive--until at least > then, I think it's likelihood is about like that of the > proverbial snowball's long-term chances. I don't intend to hold off making a decision on selling any particular investment. What I would do is to look at any stocks or mutual funds in 2008 (09-10 ??), select the one that has appreciated the most since purchase, perhaps buy a similar number of shares 31 days before (or after !) the proposed date of sale. In this way I could capture some measure of the (hoped) for gain and increase my cost basis. Inasmuch as the least amount of taxable income I could possibly recognize in '08 would be in the neighborhood of $ 55,000 +/-, I would not be looking at a killing in the market, just to capture some tax free long term capital gains. I should point out that for the last six years I have been doing a Roth conversion from my IRA, converting just enough to take us to the upper limit of the 15 % bracket and recharacterizing any 'overage' back to the IRA. I too have little faith that the government won't at some point start raising tax brackets from their present levels and reneging on at least some (tax) promises. My intent is to be positioned to avail myself of whatever (tax) opportunities present themselves, Roth conversion or 0 % long term capital gains. Thanks for the feedback dpb wrote: << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| Phil Marti wrote: - quote - > "Richard" <rgc1042[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
.....> > Capital gains taxes in 2008 - 2010 for people in the 15 % or > > less tax bracket will be 0 %. .... > Just an aside. I think that's a safe bet for 2008, but pay > attention to the elections in 2006 and 2008 before you plan > on it for the other two years. It could change. Personally, I think even 2008 is not very likely. I'd suggest if one has significant capital gains one would like to capture to make their strategy for doing so essentially independent of this additional "windfall". IOW, I'd not hold off a lot based on this (likely to be illusory imo) window as it could lead to both missing out on actually realizing the gain by holding too long and not getting the foreseen tax benefit, either. Making investment decsions controlled by tax avoidance is not a good strategy. That's not to say to not consider the implications of any move, but to plan on such a long term event as a major factor in a plan is premature at this juncture imo. If it comes to pass that 2006 goes by with the provisions still in place, _then_ there would be a reasonable probability it might survive--until at least then, I think it's likelihood is about like that of the proverbial snowball's long-term chances. << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| Thanks for the reply Phil I presumed this was the case but I was having trouble confirming the information. The reason for the question was simply to be able to try and structure our income to take advantage of the opportunity to avoid some taxes. We are retired and I can manipulate our taxable income to a certain extent but I need to understand the parameters with which I will be working. << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| "Richard" <rgc1042[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > Capital gains taxes in 2008 - 2010 for people in the 15 % or
Just an aside. I think that's a safe bet for 2008, but pay> less tax bracket will be 0 %. attention to the elections in 2006 and 2008 before you plan on it for the other two years. It could change. - quote - > If I have other taxable income
The former, but you won't know the 2008 numbers until late> of $ 50,000 (married), what is the most in capital gains I > could have in those years and pay no capital gains taxes, > the difference between $ 50,000 and the approximately $ > 78,000 which would be the top of the 15 % bracket or would > it essentialy be unlimited because my other taxable income > would put me in only the 15 % bracket? 2007. You can see how the tax calculation works in the worksheet in the 1040 instructions. -- Phil Marti Clarksburg, MD << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| Capital gains taxes in 2008 - 2010 for people in the 15 % or less tax bracket will be 0 %. If I have other taxable income of $ 50,000 (married), what is the most in capital gains I could have in those years and pay no capital gains taxes, the difference between $ 50,000 and the approximately $ 78,000 which would be the top of the 15 % bracket or would it essentialy be unlimited because my other taxable income would put me in only the 15 % bracket? Any feedback would be appreciated Richard << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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