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| Ted wrote: - quote - > I read in today's newpaper that a man plead guilty to filing
I see that someone else has provided you with the possible> false tax returns to avoid paying $40,000 in taxes. How > common are such prosecutions? What sort of penalty would be > involved? > No, I haven't done anything wrong (I certainly wouldn't have > posted here if I had!); the paper doesn't say, and I am just > curious. penalties and the statutes. so I just want to add a few points. Civil penalties are a function of the severity of whatever you have done. This penalties 'may' be removed if you can demonstrate reasonableness of your error, e.g., written advice of a tax preparer preferably a CPA, an EA, or a Tax Attorney. Criminal penalties are actully hard to come by. You have to demonstate what are known as badges of fraud. One of my favorite examples is the person who altered a bank check used to contribute to his church. Check was actually written for $25 and it had been altered to read $2,500. Look at any cancelled check returned to you by your bank and you will see the amount of the check has been duplicated on the bottom at the righthand side for optical reader scanning. I was told that this man got six months in jail. What makes it funnier is he worked in a bank so he should have known! << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << Just tell the IRS auditor you read it on the Internet. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| Ted wrote: - quote - > I read in today's newpaper that a man plead guilty to filing
Penalties:> false tax returns to avoid paying $40,000 in taxes. How > common are such prosecutions? What sort of penalty would be > involved? > No, I haven't done anything wrong (I certainly wouldn't have > posted here if I had!); the paper doesn't say, and I am just > curious. Criminal - 1-5 years in prison, plus up to $100k and costs of prosecution (26 USC 7201). Civil - 75% of the tax, plus interest on both the tax and civil penalty (26 USC 6653(b)). The criminal penalty is in addition to any other penalty, so the prison time is CONSECUTIVE to any other incarceration sentence arising from the same event(s). << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| - quote - > "effi" wrote......
The key issue regarding the citations on the web site:> > "Ted" wrote: > > > "TaxmanHog" wrote: > > > > "Ted" wrote: > > > > I read in today's newpaper that a man ~plead~ guilty....... > > > Check out the following pages of IRS.GOV, you might get a > > > feel for what is being pursued. > > > http://www.irs.gov/compliance/enforc...121259,00.html > > > http://www.irs.gov/compliance/enforc...146259,00.html > > Thanks, that was just what I was looking for. They only > > investigated 1800 individuals for fraud! That sorta implies > > that all but the most extreme are taken as errors. > proving fraud means proving intent, which is hard to do > how many of the 1800 didn't go to prison, did it say? These were cases investigated, with sufficient evidence that either conviction occurred, or plea agreement was reached. As you can imagine, some cases referred for investigation do not reach this stage. The details are not made public, but thee might be a STAT in the SOI on investigations initiated. << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| "Ted" <Ted[at]ixmil.com> wrote: - quote - > "TaxmanHog" <taxmanhog[at]comcast.net> wrote:
proving fraud means proving intent, which is hard to do> > "Ted" <Ted[at]ixmil.com> wrote: > > > I read in today's newpaper that a man plead guilty to filing > > > false tax returns to avoid paying $40,000 in taxes. How > > > common are such prosecutions? What sort of penalty would be > > > involved? > > > > > No, I haven't done anything wrong (I certainly wouldn't have > > > posted here if I had!); the paper doesn't say, and I am just > > > curious. > > Check out the following pages of IRS.GOV, you might get a > > feel for what is being pursued. > > > http://www.irs.gov/compliance/enforc...121259,00.html > > http://www.irs.gov/compliance/enforc...146259,00.html > Thanks, that was just what I was looking for. They only > investigated 1800 individuals for fraud! That sorta implies > that all but the most extreme are taken as errors. how many of the 1800 didn't go to prison, did it say? << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| Ted wrote: - quote - > ...
1800 actual, annual pros cases means they considered, to at> Thanks, that was just what I was looking for. They only > investigated 1800 individuals for fraud! That sorta > implies that all but the most extreme are taken as errors. least some degree, tens of thousands. Serious "errors" not referred for prosecution are subject to civil penalties ranging from 20% to 75%. That has excellent enforcement effect too. Presuming staffing were not much an issue, especially Dept. of Justice, excessive prosecutions would be counter-productive. They don't want t/p's feeling they need a criminal defense attorney to discuss a common audit matter, though it may involve high $$ and/or degree of negligence. IRS calls it "balanced enforcement." Fred F. << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| "TaxmanHog" <taxmanhog[at]comcast.net> wrote: - quote - > "Ted" <Ted[at]ixmil.com> wrote:
Thanks, that was just what I was looking for. They only> > I read in today's newpaper that a man plead guilty to filing > > false tax returns to avoid paying $40,000 in taxes. How > > common are such prosecutions? What sort of penalty would be > > involved? > > > No, I haven't done anything wrong (I certainly wouldn't have > > posted here if I had!); the paper doesn't say, and I am just > > curious. > Check out the following pages of IRS.GOV, you might get a > feel for what is being pursued. > http://www.irs.gov/compliance/enforc...121259,00.html > http://www.irs.gov/compliance/enforc...146259,00.html investigated 1800 individuals for fraud! That sorta implies that all but the most extreme are taken as errors. << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| "Ted" <Ted[at]ixmil.com> wrote: - quote - > I read in today's newpaper that a man plead guilty to filing
supposedly they are common enough that the irs runs stories> false tax returns to avoid paying $40,000 in taxes. How > common are such prosecutions? What sort of penalty would be > involved? > No, I haven't done anything wrong (I certainly wouldn't have > posted here if I had!); the paper doesn't say, and I am just > curious. like that around this time of year most every year to encourage voluntary compliance with tax laws he wasn't avoiding tax (legal), he was evading tax (illegal) seems imprisonment might be one of the "penalties" involved for the criminal tax evasion << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| "Ted" <Ted[at]ixmil.com> wrote: - quote - > I read in today's newpaper that a man plead guilty to filing
Check out the following pages of IRS.GOV, you might get a> false tax returns to avoid paying $40,000 in taxes. How > common are such prosecutions? What sort of penalty would be > involved? > No, I haven't done anything wrong (I certainly wouldn't have > posted here if I had!); the paper doesn't say, and I am just > curious. feel for what is being pursued. http://www.irs.gov/compliance/enforc...121259,00.html http://www.irs.gov/compliance/enforc...146259,00.html << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| "Ted" <Ted[at]ixmil.com> wrote: - quote - > I read in today's newpaper that a man plead guilty to filing
News of this kind of thing is very common this time of year.> false tax returns to avoid paying $40,000 in taxes. How > common are such prosecutions? What sort of penalty would be > involved? The IRS wants to scare everyone into paying their taxes. Stu << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| Ted wrote: - quote - > I read in today's newpaper that a man plead guilty to filing
As worded, neither IRS nor Dept of Justice disposes of> false tax returns to avoid paying $40,000 in taxes. How > common are such prosecutions? What sort of penalty would be > involved? matters like that. Horrid tax policy. It's possible a plea deal did not contain a restitution agreement, such as where the defendant had no more money left (e.g., paid out to attorneys), but IRS will still set up the tax and penalties and attempt to collect. So, maybe it's what the defendant erroneously thought the deal was, and told media. Fred F. << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| I read in today's newpaper that a man plead guilty to filing false tax returns to avoid paying $40,000 in taxes. How common are such prosecutions? What sort of penalty would be involved? No, I haven't done anything wrong (I certainly wouldn't have posted here if I had!); the paper doesn't say, and I am just curious. << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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