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| Just wanted to post the final 'solution'. It turns out that H&R Block was wrong and that transfer should not have been taxable. I called the company that issued the transfer and they confirmed that they actually made a mistake on my 1099-R. They have since sent me a corrected 1099-R. << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| "Herb Smith" <smithff33[at]aol.com> wrote: - quote - > markbouchard[at]gmail.com wrote:
What are the numbers in box 7 of the 1099?> > I worked for a company that went bankrupt. At the point of > > bankrupcy, the money from our 401ks was moved into a > > Rollover IRA. > > > At my new job, i rolled the money from this Rollover IRA > > directly into my new 401k plan. it was a trustee to trustee > > transfer, and the rollover was excepted. > > > I am now being told that this money is taxable and that i'm > > subject to the 10% tax because the money was withdrawn from > > the Rollover IRA. H&R Block is the one telling me this. > > > But, i really thought and believed that this money was NOT > > taxable at this time, as i would end up being taxed twice. > > Once now, and once again when i removed the moeny from the > > 401k. > HRB is wrong. << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| markbouchard[at]gmail.com wrote: - quote - > I worked for a company that went bankrupt. At the point of
Did you get a 1099-R form for the rollover (either one?)> bankrupcy, the money from our 401ks was moved into a > Rollover IRA. > At my new job, i rolled the money from this Rollover IRA > directly into my new 401k plan. it was a trustee to trustee > transfer, and the rollover was excepted. > I am now being told that this money is taxable and that i'm > subject to the 10% tax because the money was withdrawn from > the Rollover IRA. H&R Block is the one telling me this. > But, i really thought and believed that this money was NOT > taxable at this time, as i would end up being taxed twice. > Once now, and once again when i removed the moeny from the > 401k. > Anyone have any thoughts? What was the distribution code in box 7? -Mark Bole http://www.bincomputing.com << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| cpabakem01[at]yahoo.com writes: - quote - > might have because once you make contributions to a rollover
That hasn't been true since 2001-ish.> that are not from a company sponsored plan, you lose the > right to move this rollover to a company sponsored plan. -- Rich Carreiro rlcarr[at]animato.arlington.ma.us << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| <cpabakem01[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > It's a good idea to
This is no longer true. See IRS Publication 590.> keep your rollover IRA separate from any other IRA's you > might have because once you make contributions to a rollover > that are not from a company sponsored plan, you lose the > right to move this rollover to a company sponsored plan. -- Phil Marti Clarksburg, MD << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| These distributions can be combined with an existing IRA or into a separate IRA. If you create a separate IRA for your rollover, you can easily move these funds to another employer sponsored plan in the future. It's a good idea to keep your rollover IRA separate from any other IRA's you might have because once you make contributions to a rollover that are not from a company sponsored plan, you lose the right to move this rollover to a company sponsored plan. << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| Rich Carreiro <rlcarr[at]animato.arlington.ma.us> wrote: - quote - > markbouchard[at]gmail.com writes:
I agree. What's fishy about this is that the tax treatment of> > I worked for a company that went bankrupt. At the point of > > bankrupcy, the money from our 401ks was moved into a > > Rollover IRA. > > > At my new job, i rolled the money from this Rollover IRA > > directly into my new 401k plan. it was a trustee to trustee > > transfer, and the rollover was excepted. > > > I am now being told that this money is taxable and that i'm > > subject to the 10% tax because the money was withdrawn from > > the Rollover IRA. H&R Block is the one telling me this. > Sounds like HRB is wrong, unless there's some complication > to the story you're not telling us about. rollovers is pretty basic stuff. While a lot of folks around here don't care for Block, my bet is that Block understands a rollover. <grin Obviously Block doesn't think one or more of your transfers was a qualified rollover. So I suggest you ask Block the following: "I believe all rollovers were qualified and thus tax-deferred. If you disagree, which one was not, and why?" Then come back here and tell us what they say. -HW "Skip" Weldon Columbia, SC << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| markbouchard[at]gmail.com wrote: - quote - > I worked for a company that went bankrupt. At the point of
It sounds like you did it right. Why does H&R even know> bankrupcy, the money from our 401ks was moved into a > Rollover IRA. > At my new job, i rolled the money from this Rollover IRA > directly into my new 401k plan. it was a trustee to trustee > transfer, and the rollover was excepted. > I am now being told that this money is taxable and that i'm > subject to the 10% tax because the money was withdrawn from > the Rollover IRA. H&R Block is the one telling me this. > But, i really thought and believed that this money was NOT > taxable at this time, as i would end up being taxed twice. > Once now, and once again when i removed the moeny from the > 401k. about this? Your forms should all show the direct rollovers, you preserved the pretax staus with the direct rollovers, and the ability to put it into anothe 401 by using a rollover IRA and not comingling with another IRA. You should seek a professional. JOE << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| markbouchard[at]gmail.com wrote: - quote - > I worked for a company that went bankrupt. At the point of
HRB is wrong.> bankrupcy, the money from our 401ks was moved into a > Rollover IRA. > At my new job, i rolled the money from this Rollover IRA > directly into my new 401k plan. it was a trustee to trustee > transfer, and the rollover was excepted. > I am now being told that this money is taxable and that i'm > subject to the 10% tax because the money was withdrawn from > the Rollover IRA. H&R Block is the one telling me this. > But, i really thought and believed that this money was NOT > taxable at this time, as i would end up being taxed twice. > Once now, and once again when i removed the moeny from the > 401k. << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| markbouchard[at]gmail.com writes: - quote - > I worked for a company that went bankrupt. At the point of
Sounds like HRB is wrong, unless there's some complication> bankrupcy, the money from our 401ks was moved into a > Rollover IRA. > At my new job, i rolled the money from this Rollover IRA > directly into my new 401k plan. it was a trustee to trustee > transfer, and the rollover was excepted. > I am now being told that this money is taxable and that i'm > subject to the 10% tax because the money was withdrawn from > the Rollover IRA. H&R Block is the one telling me this. to the story you're not telling us about. If it is a properly-executed trustee-to-trustee transfer from a trad IRA to a 401(k) it shoulnd't be taxable. As a sidenote, why did you roll it back into the 401(k) in the first place? -- Rich Carreiro rlcarr[at]animato.arlington.ma.us << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| <markbouchard[at]gmail.com> wrote: - quote - > I worked for a company that went bankrupt. At the point of
See IRS publication 590 pages 23 - 25 under "conduit IRA".> bankrupcy, the money from our 401ks was moved into a > Rollover IRA. > At my new job, i rolled the money from this Rollover IRA > directly into my new 401k plan. it was a trustee to trustee > transfer, and the rollover was excepted. > I am now being told that this money is taxable and that i'm > subject to the 10% tax because the money was withdrawn from > the Rollover IRA. H&R Block is the one telling me this. > But, i really thought and believed that this money was NOT > taxable at this time, as i would end up being taxed twice. > Once now, and once again when i removed the moeny from the > 401k. > Anyone have any thoughts? > Thanks Here's the link http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p590.pdf Tho there may be additional facts that would change the analysis, it sounds as tho you are right and H&R Block is wrong -- which isn't surprising. H&R Block probably does more to help the US Treasury than even the IRS. Bob Daniels (Usual disclaimers... free advice is worth the price, can't rely for penalty protection, etc.) << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| <markbouchard[at]gmail.com> wrote: - quote - > I worked for a company that went bankrupt. At the point of
You drew one of the manicurists rather than one of the> bankrupcy, the money from our 401ks was moved into a > Rollover IRA. > At my new job, i rolled the money from this Rollover IRA > directly into my new 401k plan. it was a trustee to trustee > transfer, and the rollover was excepted. > I am now being told that this money is taxable and that i'm > subject to the 10% tax because the money was withdrawn from > the Rollover IRA. H&R Block is the one telling me this. competent Block preparers. Complain to the office manager and get someone else. Both your rollovers were nontaxable events. -- Phil Marti Clarksburg, MD << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| Hello all, I worked for a company that went bankrupt. At the point of bankrupcy, the money from our 401ks was moved into a Rollover IRA. At my new job, i rolled the money from this Rollover IRA directly into my new 401k plan. it was a trustee to trustee transfer, and the rollover was excepted. I am now being told that this money is taxable and that i'm subject to the 10% tax because the money was withdrawn from the Rollover IRA. H&R Block is the one telling me this. But, i really thought and believed that this money was NOT taxable at this time, as i would end up being taxed twice. Once now, and once again when i removed the moeny from the 401k. Anyone have any thoughts? Thanks << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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