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Old 03-06-2006, 02:31 AM
Rich Carreiro
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L K Williams <lanny[at]loxinfo.co.th> writes:
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> Rich Carreiro <rlcarr[at]animato.arlington.ma.us> wrote:

> > That's not a meaningful distinction. A mutual fund does not
> > become not-a-mutual-fund simply because it trades on an
> > exchange.


> Actually, some mutual funds are traded on exchanges. Only
> open-end funds are not exchange traded. However, a number
> of closed-end funds do trade on the NYSE and other
> exchanges.


That's exactly my point.

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Old 03-04-2006, 10:29 PM
L K Williams
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Rich Carreiro <rlcarr[at]animato.arlington.ma.us> wrote:
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> michaeljc70[at]hotmail.com writes:

> > but there are distinct differences legally and substantively.


> What are some of those (aside from trading on an exchange
> which is neither a legal nor substantive difference between
> ETFs and "mutual funds").


> > Mainly, they are traded on exchanges, mutual fund are not.


> That's not a meaningful distinction. A mutual fund does not
> become not-a-mutual-fund simply because it trades on an
> exchange.


Actually, some mutual funds are traded on exchanges. Only
open-end funds are not exchange traded. However, a number
of closed-end funds do trade on the NYSE and other
exchanges.

Lanny K. Williams, CPA
Nawarat, Williams & Co., Ltd.
Income Tax Services for Expatriate Americans

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Old 03-03-2006, 04:50 PM
Rich Carreiro
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michaeljc70[at]hotmail.com writes:

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> but there are distinct differences legally and substantively.

What are some of those (aside from trading on an exchange
which is neither a legal nor substantive difference between
ETFs and "mutual funds").

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> Mainly, they are traded on exchanges, mutual fund are not.

That's not a meaningful distinction. A mutual fund does not
become not-a-mutual-fund simply because it trades on an
exchange.

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> They also have different legal reporting requirements.

Such as?

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Old 03-03-2006, 06:05 AM
michaeljc70@hotmail.com
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It basically comes down to less than $25 in taxes. To
another persons point, I am getting over $7000 back and to
wait until April 1st to get it would be silly. My
withholding was appropriate for most of the year, but events
at the end of the year caused the big refund.

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Old 03-03-2006, 06:05 AM
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With all due respect, ETFs are NOT mutual funds. They are
LIKE mutual funds, but there are distinct differences
legally and substantively. Mainly, they are traded on
exchanges, mutual fund are not. They also have different
legal reporting requirements.

ETFs may be treated like mutual funds for tax purposes, but
they are not the same.

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Old 03-02-2006, 06:33 AM
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> I received a corrected 2005 1099-DIV for dividends paid to
> my account on 1/7/2006. I already filed my return. I read
> the IRS documentation, and it says that mutual fund
> dividends paid up to 1/31 to shareholders of record as of
> the prior year are taxable in the prior year. However, my
> dividends are for an EFT which obviuously is not a mutual
> fund and is bought like a stock. Is it treated like a stock
> or a mutual fund for this purpose?


The company is correct. Your investment may not be a "mutual
fund", but it is a Rgulated Invesmtnet Company, to which the
January dividend taxable in December rule applies.

Now, how much are wetalking about? It is seldome very much,
unless there was a big capital gian distribution. If it
isn't yor first year is it offset by the same item in
'04-05?

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Old 03-02-2006, 06:13 AM
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<michaeljc70[at]hotmail.com> wrote:

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> I received a corrected 2005 1099-DIV for dividends paid to
> my account on 1/7/2006. I already filed my return. I read
> the IRS documentation, and it says that mutual fund
> dividends paid up to 1/31 to shareholders of record as of
> the prior year are taxable in the prior year. However, my
> dividends are for an EFT which obviuously is not a mutual
> fund and is bought like a stock. Is it treated like a stock
> or a mutual fund for this purpose?


If you own ETFs and mutual funds, never, ever, ever file
your income tax returns before April 1st. I learned this
lesson the hard way, as you are now doing, a few years ago.
There are ALWAYS amended Forms 1099. They need to revamp the
reporting process so that it is no longer the sham,
requiring revisions, that it is.

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Old 03-02-2006, 06:13 AM
Rich Carreiro
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michaeljc70[at]hotmail.com writes:

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> I received a corrected 2005 1099-DIV for dividends paid to
> my account on 1/7/2006. I already filed my return. I read
> the IRS documentation, and it says that mutual fund
> dividends paid up to 1/31 to shareholders of record as of
> the prior year are taxable in the prior year. However, my
> dividends are for an EFT which obviuously is not a mutual
> fund and is bought like a stock.


ETF's *are* mutual funds. Or more precisely, they are
"regulated investment companies" (RICs), as are "normal"
mutual funds.

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> Is it treated like a stock or a mutual fund for this purpose?

It's treated as a RIC for all purposes, actually.

So you need to amend your return.

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Old 03-02-2006, 05:54 AM
Ira Smilovitz
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<michaeljc70[at]hotmail.com> wrote:

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> I received a corrected 2005 1099-DIV for dividends paid to
> my account on 1/7/2006. I already filed my return. I read
> the IRS documentation, and it says that mutual fund
> dividends paid up to 1/31 to shareholders of record as of
> the prior year are taxable in the prior year. However, my
> dividends are for an EFT which obviuously is not a mutual
> fund and is bought like a stock. Is it treated like a stock
> or a mutual fund for this purpose?


While EFTs are bought and sold like stocks, they are
structured as mutual funds. You *did* read the prospectus
before investing, didn't you? <g
Ira Smilovitz

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Old 03-01-2006, 07:56 AM
michaeljc70@hotmail.com
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Default Dividends paid in January for 2005

I received a corrected 2005 1099-DIV for dividends paid to
my account on 1/7/2006. I already filed my return. I read
the IRS documentation, and it says that mutual fund
dividends paid up to 1/31 to shareholders of record as of
the prior year are taxable in the prior year. However, my
dividends are for an EFT which obviuously is not a mutual
fund and is bought like a stock. Is it treated like a stock
or a mutual fund for this purpose?

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