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| Mark A. Hvasta, CPA wrote: - quote - > "Wayne Rivers" <wayne[at]wayneriverscpa.com> wrote:
Farmers report their activities on a schedule f, and not a> > Question: Taxpayer ran a farm for many years, accumulating > > depreciated assets such as farm buildings, equipment, etc. > > Due to health issues, he was unable to continue farming, but > > started renting out his buildings to another farmer. > > > Would it be reasonable to convert the farm buildings into > > rental property? > seems reasonable > If we include the rental income on the farm > > form as has been done in the past, taxpayer would be owing > > self-employment taxes when he isn't really "self-employed". > > How would the assets be converted over? At their > > depreciated value? > I'm not sure that there's a formal "conversion" that you > need to do. I assume the taxpayer had been filing Sch C for > his farming activities in the past? If yes, but he has > changed from farming to renting his property rather than > working it, he's no longer conducting business as a Sch C > taxpayer but rather is in the business of renting property > which is reported on Sch E. Even in the Sch C years, rental > real estate income should have been reported on Sch E, there > may be amended return, refund of SE tax opportunities. schedule c, so I hope this was the case with the OP. And nothing in OP saying in the past farmer Jones rented property. so not a question of ever amending those earlier years. - quote - > Re: basis of assets, yes, it's carryover basis for the
right! But of course any remaining depreciation may be> rental activities. Therefore, if they were fully depreciated > in the past, there's not depreciation deductions to be taken > currently. continued on form 4562 for the rental activity. ChEAr$, Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| "Mark A. Hvasta, CPA" <gcollect1[at]sbcglobal.net> wrote in - quote - > "Wayne Rivers" <wayne[at]wayneriverscpa.com> wrote:
Farming is reported on Schedule F> > Question: Taxpayer ran a farm for many years, accumulating > > depreciated assets such as farm buildings, equipment, etc. > > Due to health issues, he was unable to continue farming, but > > started renting out his buildings to another farmer. > > > Would it be reasonable to convert the farm buildings into > > rental property? > seems reasonable > > If we include the rental income on the farm > > form as has been done in the past, taxpayer would be owing > > self-employment taxes when he isn't really "self-employed". > > How would the assets be converted over? At their > > depreciated value? > I'm not sure that there's a formal "conversion" that you > need to do. I assume the taxpayer had been filing Sch C for > his farming activities in the past? If yes, but he has > changed from farming to renting his property rather than > working it, he's no longer conducting business as a Sch C > taxpayer but rather is in the business of renting property > which is reported on Sch E. Even in the Sch C years, rental > real estate income should have been reported on Sch E, there > may be amended return, refund of SE tax opportunities. Farm rental is reported on Schedule 4835 << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| "Wayne Rivers" <wayne[at]wayneriverscpa.com> wrote: - quote - > Question: Taxpayer ran a farm for many years, accumulating
seems reasonable> depreciated assets such as farm buildings, equipment, etc. > Due to health issues, he was unable to continue farming, but > started renting out his buildings to another farmer. > Would it be reasonable to convert the farm buildings into > rental property? If we include the rental income on the farm - quote - > form as has been done in the past, taxpayer would be owing
I'm not sure that there's a formal "conversion" that you> self-employment taxes when he isn't really "self-employed". > How would the assets be converted over? At their > depreciated value? need to do. I assume the taxpayer had been filing Sch C for his farming activities in the past? If yes, but he has changed from farming to renting his property rather than working it, he's no longer conducting business as a Sch C taxpayer but rather is in the business of renting property which is reported on Sch E. Even in the Sch C years, rental real estate income should have been reported on Sch E, there may be amended return, refund of SE tax opportunities. Re: basis of assets, yes, it's carryover basis for the rental activities. Therefore, if they were fully depreciated in the past, there's not depreciation deductions to be taken currently. << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| Question: Taxpayer ran a farm for many years, accumulating depreciated assets such as farm buildings, equipment, etc. Due to health issues, he was unable to continue farming, but started renting out his buildings to another farmer. Would it be reasonable to convert the farm buildings into rental property? If we include the rental income on the farm form as has been done in the past, taxpayer would be owing self-employment taxes when he isn't really "self-employed". How would the assets be converted over? At their depreciated value? Thanks Wayne Rivers, CPA << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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