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Old 06-02-2006, 04:58 AM
hlunsford@bellsouth.net
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Default Re: Farm into rental

Mark A. Hvasta, CPA wrote:
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> "Wayne Rivers" <wayne[at]wayneriverscpa.com> wrote:

> > Question: Taxpayer ran a farm for many years, accumulating
> > depreciated assets such as farm buildings, equipment, etc.
> > Due to health issues, he was unable to continue farming, but
> > started renting out his buildings to another farmer.
> > > Would it be reasonable to convert the farm buildings into

> > rental property?


> seems reasonable
> If we include the rental income on the farm


> > form as has been done in the past, taxpayer would be owing
> > self-employment taxes when he isn't really "self-employed".
> > How would the assets be converted over? At their
> > depreciated value?


> I'm not sure that there's a formal "conversion" that you
> need to do. I assume the taxpayer had been filing Sch C for
> his farming activities in the past? If yes, but he has
> changed from farming to renting his property rather than
> working it, he's no longer conducting business as a Sch C
> taxpayer but rather is in the business of renting property
> which is reported on Sch E. Even in the Sch C years, rental
> real estate income should have been reported on Sch E, there
> may be amended return, refund of SE tax opportunities.


Farmers report their activities on a schedule f, and not a
schedule c, so I hope this was the case with the OP.

And nothing in OP saying in the past farmer Jones rented
property. so not a question of ever amending those earlier
years.

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> Re: basis of assets, yes, it's carryover basis for the
> rental activities. Therefore, if they were fully depreciated
> in the past, there's not depreciation deductions to be taken
> currently.


right! But of course any remaining depreciation may be
continued on form 4562 for the rental activity.

ChEAr$,
Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA

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Old 03-09-2006, 07:44 PM
Gil Faver
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Default Re: Farm into rental

"Mark A. Hvasta, CPA" <gcollect1[at]sbcglobal.net> wrote in
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> "Wayne Rivers" <wayne[at]wayneriverscpa.com> wrote:

> > Question: Taxpayer ran a farm for many years, accumulating
> > depreciated assets such as farm buildings, equipment, etc.
> > Due to health issues, he was unable to continue farming, but
> > started renting out his buildings to another farmer.
> > > Would it be reasonable to convert the farm buildings into

> > rental property?


> seems reasonable


> > If we include the rental income on the farm
> > form as has been done in the past, taxpayer would be owing
> > self-employment taxes when he isn't really "self-employed".
> > How would the assets be converted over? At their
> > depreciated value?


> I'm not sure that there's a formal "conversion" that you
> need to do. I assume the taxpayer had been filing Sch C for
> his farming activities in the past? If yes, but he has
> changed from farming to renting his property rather than
> working it, he's no longer conducting business as a Sch C
> taxpayer but rather is in the business of renting property
> which is reported on Sch E. Even in the Sch C years, rental
> real estate income should have been reported on Sch E, there
> may be amended return, refund of SE tax opportunities.


Farming is reported on Schedule F
Farm rental is reported on Schedule 4835

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Old 03-09-2006, 01:39 AM
Mark A. Hvasta, CPA
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Default Re: Farm into rental

"Wayne Rivers" <wayne[at]wayneriverscpa.com> wrote:

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> Question: Taxpayer ran a farm for many years, accumulating
> depreciated assets such as farm buildings, equipment, etc.
> Due to health issues, he was unable to continue farming, but
> started renting out his buildings to another farmer.
> Would it be reasonable to convert the farm buildings into
> rental property?


seems reasonable

If we include the rental income on the farm
- quote -

> form as has been done in the past, taxpayer would be owing
> self-employment taxes when he isn't really "self-employed".
> How would the assets be converted over? At their
> depreciated value?


I'm not sure that there's a formal "conversion" that you
need to do. I assume the taxpayer had been filing Sch C for
his farming activities in the past? If yes, but he has
changed from farming to renting his property rather than
working it, he's no longer conducting business as a Sch C
taxpayer but rather is in the business of renting property
which is reported on Sch E. Even in the Sch C years, rental
real estate income should have been reported on Sch E, there
may be amended return, refund of SE tax opportunities.

Re: basis of assets, yes, it's carryover basis for the
rental activities. Therefore, if they were fully depreciated
in the past, there's not depreciation deductions to be taken
currently.


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Old 02-22-2006, 12:31 PM
Wayne Rivers
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Default Farm into rental

Question: Taxpayer ran a farm for many years, accumulating
depreciated assets such as farm buildings, equipment, etc.
Due to health issues, he was unable to continue farming, but
started renting out his buildings to another farmer.

Would it be reasonable to convert the farm buildings into
rental property? If we include the rental income on the farm
form as has been done in the past, taxpayer would be owing
self-employment taxes when he isn't really "self-employed".
How would the assets be converted over? At their
depreciated value?

Thanks

Wayne Rivers, CPA

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