"casey" <thecupps[at]gmail.com> wrote

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Get your tax preparer to break the bill down so you can
deduct the portion related to teh rental property and the
self-employment business.

It's simple to do. And no one at the IRS is going to believe
that the "base rate" return fee hasn't risen in three +
years. So taking what you see as a $200 jump for the rental
and a $200 jump for the business may not be $200 ~because~
of the rental or busienss activity.

--
Paul Thomas, CPA
paulthomascpapc[at]bellsouth.net

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Barry Margolin <barmar[at]alum.mit.edu> wrote:
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It did get full protection.

Playboy had awarded her the title, so the court ruled she
could use it.

Seth

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Barry Margolin <barmar[at]alum.mit.edu> wrote:

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It shouldn't be accepted automatically as equivalent to a
CPA, but if a Chartered Accountant happens to be living in
California (too many "CA"s around!) why shouldn't he be able
to advertise his services for other Brit ex-pats or
companies doing business in Britain?

Seth

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"Stuart A. Bronstein" <spamtrap[at]lexregia.com> wrote:
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That's a trademark issue, not 1st amendment. I guess they
decided that "Playboy Playmate of the Year" was too
descriptive to get full protection. I'm surprised -- I'd
think that the magazine would get decent protection for its
own name (it would probably be stronger if they'd used a
coined term, but that's not common in the publishing
industry) and their well-known moniker like "Playmate".

--
Barry Margolin, barmar[at]alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
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Barry Margolin <barmar[at]alum.mit.edu> wrote:

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I was thinking specifically of the 9th circuit case where
Playboy magazine sued someone for trademark infringement,
because she accurately but without their consent identified
herself as a former Playboy Playmate of the Year. The court
said that as long as what she said was factually accurate,
she couldn't be stopped from using the designation.

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Actually the UK criteria are more strict. They don't learn
US taxes, of course. But it's factually accurate that
they're chartered accountants.

Stu

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"Stuart A. Bronstein" <spamtrap[at]lexregia.com> wrote:
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using the term accountant then in california seems allowable
if:
- there is reciprocity with britain (seems there is not)
and a *current* charter is held (not a charter held in
the past)
- the person is licensed as a cpa by california

doesn't seem unreasonable that licensure is required to hold
oneself out as an accountant, just as licensure is required
to hold oneself out as an attorney, this protects the public
from those not possessing the requisites

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"Stuart A. Bronstein" <spamtrap[at]lexregia.com> wrote:
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I'm a CPA in lovely state of Virginia now living in the
lovely state of North Carolina.

Claiming to be a CPA anywhere in the blue Tar Heel state is
a very serious offense.

So I don't. EA works in both places. And I don't think it
violates my First Amendment rights.

ron

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Moderator:
The Promised Land of North Carolina will give you
reciprocity.

Also keep in mind:
Maryland is for Crabs;
Virginia is for Lovers;
North Carolina is for Winners; and
dookies don't count.

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I seldom find the way CA does anything
correct/justified/rationale/etc. However, in this case I
think the rest of the states in the US should follow CA
lead. Non-CPAs (and in some cases PAs where they still
exist) are not subject to the same rules and regulations at
the state level that CPAs are. CPAs are licensed at the
state level like DRs, ATTYs and others as a matter of PUBLIC
PROTECTION. Here in MI we have (extreme example follows) non
licensed - non degreed - high school drop outs issuing
compilation reports just like a CPA - the verbage is not
copyrighted - the state board of accountancy does nothing
about this. Is the public protected in this case and many
others. How many practioners in this group have picked up a
new corporate client and reviewed the past schedule Ls - M1s
- M2s and they seldom tie out.

I'm sorry but there is clearly substandard work out there
being produced by (the majority of it) non-CPAs - PAs - EAs.
CPAs - PAs & EAs are the default recognized "Tax
Professionals" in the US with CPAs and PAs recognized by the
states for their attest functions. All others IMHO should
not be able to use the word ACCOUNTANT.

Thanks for letting me stand on the soap box for a moment.

Regards,

Mark Rigotti CPA

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"Stuart A. Bronstein" <spamtrap[at]lexregia.com> wrote:
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It *is* a common misunderstanding that any accountant is a
CPA.

In general, the First Amendment is not very strong when it
comes to advertising. This can be considered analogous to
the laws against calling a food "low-fat" -- the FDA has
strict criteria for what it takes to use this adjective.

And unless CA has an agreement to transfer British Chartered
Accountants licenses, I don't see the problem. If England's
criteria are different, should that license really be
accepted automatically?

--
Barry Margolin, barmar[at]alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
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It is my clear understanding that there is an examination
for CA's to become licensed as a CPA in the United States.

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"effi" <effi[at]ev1.net> wrote:

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There are other statutes that make it more clear. And from
an enforcement standpoint, California goes after about
anyone who so much uses the word "accountant" if they're not
qualified as a CPA.

Personally I think they go too far. I have friends who have been
licensed in Britain as Chartered Accountants. If they use the term it
is factual, so I think to the extent they are not allowed to use the
word it is a violation of the First Amendment.

Stu

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"Harlan Lunsford" <hlunsford[at]bellsouth.net> wrote:
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yeah it seems that way, wonder what states don't regulate?

it's unclear what California is doing, their law from
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/di...le=5050-5058.1
says
(open quote)
5058. No person or partnership shall assume or use the
title or designation "chartered accountant," "certified
accountant," "enrolled accountant," "registered accountant"
or "licensed accountant," or any other title or designation
likely to be confused with "certified public accountant" or
"public accountant," (close quote)

"any other title or designation likely to be confused with
'certified public accountant' or 'public accountant' " isn't
exactly crystal clear

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Stuart A. Bronstein <spamtrap[at]lexregia.com> wrote:

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You can always call yourself an accountant. The issue is
whether you can provide accounting services for pay to the
public.

Seth

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"effi" <effi[at]ev1.net> wrote:
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You're wrong because the rule does not apply to the USA, but
only to the individual states that have enacted the rule.
There apparently are states in which you can call yourself
an accountant if you are not a CPA.

Stu

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"effi" <effi[at]ev1.net> wrote:
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If it's on a state by state basis, then no it's NOT a
requirement "in the USA".

--
David M. Woods, EA, ChFC, CLU
Woods Financial Services
Norwood, MA 02062
www.woods-financial.com

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effi wrote:
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Please re read my response way up there. I was referring
to any national requirement. Sure, some states do
regulate, but not all.

Done.

ChEAr$,
Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA

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"Harlan Lunsford" <hlunsford[at]bellsouth.net> wrote:
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oops, last response was reklahoma

here's a link to california law
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/di...le=5050-5058.1

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"Harlan Lunsford" <hlunsford[at]bellsouth.net> wrote:
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me wrong? really? LA California?

http://www.oscn.net/applications/osc...p?citeID=95024

"F. No individual or entity not holding a valid permit shall
hold oneself or itself out to the public as an "Accountant"
or "Auditor" by use of either or both of such words on any
sign, card, letterhead, or in any advertisement or
directory, without specifically indicating that such
individual or entity does not hold such a permit."

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"Brian" <user[at]sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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It's heartening to see some professionals know who can call
legally themselves an accountant in the USA.

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"Bill Brown" <brownwp[at]longwood.edu> wrote:
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there is such a requirement
it's on a state by state basis
consider contacting the state licensing board in your state
for more details

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Stuart A. Bronstein wrote:
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The same for Texas; you can't call yourself an accountant
unless you are licensed by the State Board of Public
Accountancy.

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