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Old 02-12-2006, 07:46 AM
Dick Adams
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dsellinger[at]gmail.com
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> Stuart A. Bronstein wrote:
> > "Wayne Rivers" <wayne[at]wayneriverscpa.com> wrote:


> > > Question:
> > > > > If someone owns land and builds a spec home on it and later
> > > sells it, is the capital gain long term because the land is
> > > owned over 1 year or short term because the house is sold
> > > soon after completion?


> > It's ordinary income because he built it to sell, not as a
> > long term investment.


> Isn't the whole idea of building a house to sell considered
> an investment? Besides an owner may have bought property
> with the idea of keeping it, but market forces are such that
> selling it would be considered the wisest use of said asset.
> In~vest~ment n. - Property or another possession acquired
> for future financial return or benefit.
> And long term is defined by the IRS as longer then one year.


We are on the same page so far. And note the holding period
for the house begins when it is completed.

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> Unless there are some rules about holding periods being
> somehow "reset" by a major change to a property. (Could the
> issuance of new higher valued stock in a takeover be viewed
> in the same way? would your initial date of ownership be for
> the issuance of the new stock, or for the date you bought
> the original now taken over companies stock.)


In the OP's situation, the owner of the land added capital to
the land creating a second asset. To make the situations
analogous, the shareholder would take the conversion and buy
additional shares.

Dick

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Old 02-12-2006, 07:46 AM
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Victor Roberts xxx[at]lighting-research.com wrote:
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> Dick Adams rdadams[at]smart.net wrote:
> > "Wayne Rivers" wayne[at]wayneriverscpa.com wrote:


> > > Question:
> > > > > If someone owns land and builds a spec home on it and later
> > > sells it, is the capital gain long term because the land is
> > > owned over 1 year or short term because the house is sold
> > > soon after completion?
> > > > > In this case, the taxpayer is not planning on doing this as
> > > a business - should be a one-time shot. He did the general
> > > contracting himself.


> > What is a "spec home"? If "spec home" means he built it on
> > the 'speculation' of making a profit, then his profits are
> > ordinary income.


> Usually one built to your specifications as opposed to a
> mass produced home or even an individual home built to an
> existing plan.


Keep in mind - the bulk of his profits come from the general
contractor (GC) fees he avoided by doing the work himself.
He certainly does not want to pay himself so he can pay the
self-employment taxes.

Also since he acted as his own GC, he may have a problem
convincing an auditor that the house was intended to be
his personal residence.

But even before you get that far, his gain on the house is
ordinary income because he did not own the house for at least
the year. He may have an argument on the land.

Dick

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Old 02-12-2006, 12:31 AM
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Dick Adams <rdadams[at]smart.net> wrote:

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> What is a "spec home"?

Usually one built to your specifications as opposed to a
mass produced home or even an individual home built to an
existing plan.

--
Vic Roberts
Replace xxx with vdr in e-mail address.

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Old 02-12-2006, 12:31 AM
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Stuart A. Bronstein wrote:
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> "Wayne Rivers" <wayne[at]wayneriverscpa.com> wrote:

> > Question:
> > > If someone owns land and builds a spec home on it and later

> > sells it, is the capital gain long term because the land is
> > owned over 1 year or short term because the house is sold
> > soon after completion?


> It's ordinary income because he built it to sell, not as a
> long term investment.


Isn't the whole idea of building a house to sell considered
an investment? Besides an owner may have bought property
with the idea of keeping it, but market forces are such that
selling it would be considered the wisest use of said asset.

In~vest~ment n. - Property or another possession acquired
for future financial return or benefit.

And long term is defined by the IRS as longer then one year.

Unless there are some rules about holding periods being
somehow "reset" by a major change to a property. (Could the
issuance of new higher valued stock in a takeover be viewed
in the same way? would your initial date of ownership be for
the issuance of the new stock, or for the date you bought
the original now taken over companies stock.)

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Old 02-02-2006, 01:04 PM
Stuart A. Bronstein
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"Wayne Rivers" <wayne[at]wayneriverscpa.com> wrote:

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> Question:
> If someone owns land and builds a spec home on it and later
> sells it, is the capital gain long term because the land is
> owned over 1 year or short term because the house is sold
> soon after completion?


It's ordinary income because he built it to sell, not as a
long term investment.

Stu

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Old 02-02-2006, 12:45 PM
Dick Adams
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"Wayne Rivers" <wayne[at]wayneriverscpa.com> wrote:

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> Question:
> If someone owns land and builds a spec home on it and later
> sells it, is the capital gain long term because the land is
> owned over 1 year or short term because the house is sold
> soon after completion?


What is a "spec home"? If "spec home" means he built it on
the 'speculation' of making a profit, then his profits are
ordinary income.

Dick

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Old 02-02-2006, 12:35 AM
Wayne Rivers
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Default Short term/long term

Question:

If someone owns land and builds a spec home on it and later
sells it, is the capital gain long term because the land is
owned over 1 year or short term because the house is sold
soon after completion?

In this case, the taxpayer is not planning on doing this as
a business - should be a one-time shot. He did the general
contracting himself.

Thanks

Wayne Rivers, CPA

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