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| "David Woods" <davidwoods[at]verizon.net> wrote: - quote - > "Taxbert" <Taxbert[at]hotmail.com> wrote:
You are correct that the partnership terminates when one> > "James" <james_s1315[at]yahoo.com> wrote: > > > I have a partnership (2 partners) that owns and leases a > > > building, which is depreciated out. One of the partners sold > > > his partnership interest to his son . Shouldn't the son get > > > depreciation on the building based on his cost of buying the > > > partnership interest? Is that depreciation reflected on the > > > partnership 1065, or is it a separate calculation on the > > > son's 1040? > > There is an election that the partnership can make that > > would step up the basis of the new partner's portion of the > > partnership assets to FMV. This is called a Section 754 > > election. It has to be made by the partnership. Then the > > partnership would calculate the additional depreciation to > > the new partner and report this additional amount on his > > Schedule K-1. > One CANNOT make a 754 election when one partner buys the > interest of the other partner. The partnership terminates > at the point, hence the partnership no longer exists to make > any election, nor can any additional depreciation be > allocated. Quite simply, the activity then is simply > reported on whatever schedule is applicable to the remaining > owner. partner buys the interest of the other partner and now owns 100%, but that was not the facts in this question. (also, the now sole owner would get up a step up in basis upon termination equal to his outside basis.) While we are on the subject, if the partner who sold his interest to his son owned 50% or more of the partnership, then the partnership technically terminates and a new partnership is created. Jack Grater, CPA, MST << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| "David Woods" <davidwoods[at]verizon.net> wrote: - quote - > "Gene E. Utterback, EA" <gene[at]alliancerax.com> wrote:
Drew - you may well be right on this. I don't run across a> > "James" <james_s1315[at]yahoo.com> wrote: > > > I have a partnership (2 partners) that owns and leases a > > > building, which is depreciated out. One of the partners sold > > > his partnership interest to his son . Shouldn't the son get > > > depreciation on the building based on his cost of buying the > > > partnership interest? Is that depreciation reflected on the > > > partnership 1065, or is it a separate calculation on the > > > son's 1040? > > Depreciation is done at the entity level. Once the building > > is fully depreciated there is usually no more depreciation - > > for the original partners or any new partners. I say > > usually because I do seem to recall something about a > > Section 754 Basis adjustment on a departing partner. I'd > > advise you seek professional help for several reasons. This > > is one of them. The other is that you may also have a > > Section 751 Hot Asset issue with respect to the departing > > partner and it is also possible that you may have terminated > > the partnership when your partner sold out to his son. > > > You really do need to see a pro for this. > Gene, I agree he needs help, but this isn't a hot asset > issue unless any of the former partnership assets were > contributed by the selling partner. lot of these types of partnership exchanges. The OP didn't include enough information to make a determination about who contributed what to the partnership. I know there CAN be 751 Hot Asset issues when a partner departs under the right circumstances and I believe that with a 751 issue there is also frequently a 754 issue. But again, I don't get enough 751 or 754 issues to remember all the rules off the top of my head. Thanks, Gene E. Utterback, EA, RFC << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| "Gene E. Utterback, EA" <gene[at]alliancerax.com> wrote: - quote - > "James" <james_s1315[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
Gene, I agree he needs help, but this isn't a hot asset> > I have a partnership (2 partners) that owns and leases a > > building, which is depreciated out. One of the partners sold > > his partnership interest to his son . Shouldn't the son get > > depreciation on the building based on his cost of buying the > > partnership interest? Is that depreciation reflected on the > > partnership 1065, or is it a separate calculation on the > > son's 1040? > Depreciation is done at the entity level. Once the building > is fully depreciated there is usually no more depreciation - > for the original partners or any new partners. I say > usually because I do seem to recall something about a > Section 754 Basis adjustment on a departing partner. I'd > advise you seek professional help for several reasons. This > is one of them. The other is that you may also have a > Section 751 Hot Asset issue with respect to the departing > partner and it is also possible that you may have terminated > the partnership when your partner sold out to his son. > You really do need to see a pro for this. issue unless any of the former partnership assets were contributed by the selling partner. -- David M. Woods, EA, ChFC, CLU Woods Financial Services Norwood, MA 02062 www.woods-financial.com << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| "Taxbert" <Taxbert[at]hotmail.com> wrote: - quote - > "James" <james_s1315[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
One CANNOT make a 754 election when one partner buys the> > I have a partnership (2 partners) that owns and leases a > > building, which is depreciated out. One of the partners sold > > his partnership interest to his son . Shouldn't the son get > > depreciation on the building based on his cost of buying the > > partnership interest? Is that depreciation reflected on the > > partnership 1065, or is it a separate calculation on the > > son's 1040? > There is an election that the partnership can make that > would step up the basis of the new partner's portion of the > partnership assets to FMV. This is called a Section 754 > election. It has to be made by the partnership. Then the > partnership would calculate the additional depreciation to > the new partner and report this additional amount on his > Schedule K-1. interest of the other partner. The partnership terminates at the point, hence the partnership no longer exists to make any election, nor can any additional depreciation be allocated. Quite simply, the activity then is simply reported on whatever schedule is applicable to the remaining owner. -- David M. Woods, EA, ChFC, CLU Woods Financial Services Norwood, MA 02062 www.woods-financial.com << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| "James" <james_s1315[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > I have a partnership (2 partners) that owns and leases a
There is an election that the partnership can make that> building, which is depreciated out. One of the partners sold > his partnership interest to his son . Shouldn't the son get > depreciation on the building based on his cost of buying the > partnership interest? Is that depreciation reflected on the > partnership 1065, or is it a separate calculation on the > son's 1040? would step up the basis of the new partner's portion of the partnership assets to FMV. This is called a Section 754 election. It has to be made by the partnership. Then the partnership would calculate the additional depreciation to the new partner and report this additional amount on his Schedule K-1. << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| "James" <james_s1315[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > I have a partnership (2 partners) that owns and leases a
Depreciation is done at the entity level. Once the building> building, which is depreciated out. One of the partners sold > his partnership interest to his son . Shouldn't the son get > depreciation on the building based on his cost of buying the > partnership interest? Is that depreciation reflected on the > partnership 1065, or is it a separate calculation on the > son's 1040? is fully depreciated there is usually no more depreciation - for the original partners or any new partners. I say usually because I do seem to recall something about a Section 754 Basis adjustment on a departing partner. I'd advise you seek professional help for several reasons. This is one of them. The other is that you may also have a Section 751 Hot Asset issue with respect to the departing partner and it is also possible that you may have terminated the partnership when your partner sold out to his son. You really do need to see a pro for this. Good luck, Gene E. Utterback, EA, RFC << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| "James" <james_s1315[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > I have a partnership (2 partners) that owns and leases a
Depreciation is not a separately stated item on a K-1.> building, which is depreciated out. One of the partners sold > his partnership interest to his son . Shouldn't the son get > depreciation on the building based on his cost of buying the > partnership interest? Is that depreciation reflected on the > partnership 1065, or is it a separate calculation on the > son's 1040? Depreciation is a partnership deduction not a partner deduction unless the partner put the building in the entity, which clearly the new partner could not have done. -- David M. Woods, EA, ChFC, CLU Woods Financial Services Norwood, MA 02062 www.woods-financial.com << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| I have a partnership (2 partners) that owns and leases a building, which is depreciated out. One of the partners sold his partnership interest to his son . Shouldn't the son get depreciation on the building based on his cost of buying the partnership interest? Is that depreciation reflected on the partnership 1065, or is it a separate calculation on the son's 1040? << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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