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| Harlan Lunsford <hlunsford[at]BELLSOUTH.NET> wrote: - quote - > Vernon Lee wrote:
In some states, perhaps. In other states capitalization is> > Took over new client that converted LLC with negative > > capital to C corp. They started C corp GL with negative RE > > and a shareholder note carried over from LLC. C corp has > > only cash and intangibles(patent) as assets. Previous tax > > preparer will not disclose if members of LLC took gain in > > prior year. I think not enough - thus negative beginning > > RE. Same owners in C corp as LLC. > Yes. A lawyer might be able to help straighten this out, > since, as far as I know, you can't form a new corporation > with negative capital. With paid in capital in addition to > capital stock, yes. not related to whether a corporation can be formed per se. But after formation an undercapitalized corporation may not be entitled to certain corporate benefits such as limited liability. - quote - > Question. was capital stock actually issued when
Perhaps in La, but not in Cal.> corporation formed and was it actually paid for by the > stockholders? Without that having happened, I think a legal > ace would advise you that the corporation itself has not > been perfected. - quote - > Sort of reminds me a client years ago. He was proprietor of
Ah, California - where all the crazies go. ;-)> a printing business, but for reasons not pertinant here, > left town, headed for California. When he left his wife > (who worked in the business) that Sunday night, he wrote > out a piece of paper words like ( I can't remember actual > wording) "I hereby leave the business known as xxxxxx > Printing Company to my wife, Axxxxxe, to include all the > equipment and supplies and the debts of the business." Stu << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| Vernon Lee wrote: - quote - > Took over new client that converted LLC with negative
Yes. A lawyer might be able to help straighten this out,> capital to C corp. They started C corp GL with negative RE > and a shareholder note carried over from LLC. C corp has > only cash and intangibles(patent) as assets. Previous tax > preparer will not disclose if members of LLC took gain in > prior year. I think not enough - thus negative beginning > RE. Same owners in C corp as LLC. > My thought is to adjust the beginning capital to zero and > increase the patent. Someone out there have any other > thoughts. since, as far as I know, you can't form a new corporation with negative capital. With paid in capital in addition to capital stock, yes. Question. was capital stock actually issued when corporation formed and was it actually paid for by the stockholders? Without that having happened, I think a legal ace would advise you that the corporation itself has not been perfected. Food for thought. And why would you be talking with previous tax preparer anyway? The owners themselves can simply bring in their past tax returns. IF I were considering this case (and something smells here), I would want to see past years business returns; all of them. Sort of reminds me a client years ago. He was proprietor of a printing business, but for reasons not pertinant here, left town, headed for California. When he left his wife (who worked in the business) that Sunday night, he wrote out a piece of paper words like ( I can't remember actual wording) "I hereby leave the business known as xxxxxx Printing Company to my wife, Axxxxxe, to include all the equipment and supplies and the debts of the business." ChEAr$, Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2006) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| "Vernon Lee" <vlcpa001[at]postoffice.pacbell.net> wrote: - quote - > Took over new client that converted LLC with negative
Since an LLC is a non-recognized entity, were they filing> capital to C corp. They started C corp GL with negative RE > and a shareholder note carried over from LLC. C corp has > only cash and intangibles(patent) as assets. Previous tax > preparer will not disclose if members of LLC took gain in > prior year. I think not enough - thus negative beginning > RE. Same owners in C corp as LLC. > My thought is to adjust the beginning capital to zero and > increase the patent. Someone out there have any other > thoughts. initially as a partnership? If not, how were they filing? Assuming we're talking about material amounts here, I would want enough facts to know how prior losses have been treated...or at least reported...to avoid a basis problem with the owners. Have they taken losses, therefore have a negative basis? If you zero out that negative, how do you report that in the new entity? Does the conversion to a corp trigger a deemed sale?..etc. Mike Lewis, CPA << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2005) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| Took over new client that converted LLC with negative capital to C corp. They started C corp GL with negative RE and a shareholder note carried over from LLC. C corp has only cash and intangibles(patent) as assets. Previous tax preparer will not disclose if members of LLC took gain in prior year. I think not enough - thus negative beginning RE. Same owners in C corp as LLC. My thought is to adjust the beginning capital to zero and increase the patent. Someone out there have any other thoughts. -- Vernon L << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2005) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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