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| tim[at]timkelly.com wrote: - quote - > Thank you Peter. I found the CCA's very useful, more for
In my view, your client does not have COD income. I believe> what they did not say. My client performs no services for > the hospital directly and is independently compensated on a > capitation program. But my my main question is still how COD > under 61(a)(12) is treated by the creditor on a corporate > tax return. I called all my "Kovel" accountants and no one > seems to know. he has income in the same form as the capitation fees he earns. Likewise, the corporation has the same expense on its corporate return as the capitation fees it pays. As you know, not all cancellation of indebtedness results in COD income. Debt discharge may also be compensation or, if you prefer, gross income derived from business. There was never an intent for the money to be paid back. You even said in the OP, "It could hardly be a bad debt since it it pursuant to a contract." To me, that neither gives rise to COD income on the client side, nor gives rise to bad debt expense on the corporation side. What is left is an analysis of 1) the facts giving rise to the contract; 2) the relationship between the corporation and the physician; 3) the wording in the loan agreement; and 4) any other pertinent fact(s). The hospital wanted to increase business in a particular geographic location. Towards that end, it entered into a contract with a physician who agreed to establish a practice in that area in exchange for a loan that would be forgiven incrementally as milestones were reached. (In this case, temporal milestones.) The normal compensation arrangement was that of a capitation fee. The physician, as an independent contractor, takes these fees into income and pays income taxes, medicare, OASDI, etc. The hospital, on its corporate return, reports the capitation fee expense as a current deduction. I imagine the hosital issues a 1099-MISC to the physician (or to his P.C., if applicable), since he is in a trade / business. The forgiveness of the debt is additional compensation paid by the hospital to the physician in exchange for the physician meeting the applicable temporal milestone. That is, in order to have the loan forgiven, the physician had to provide services to patients over a set period of time. In other words, he earned it (and it "cost" the hospital in the amount forgiven) by providing the same services that give rise to capitation fee income on the physician side and capitation fee expense on the hospital side. Here is my disclaimer: CIRCULAR 230 DISCLOSURE: As provided for in Treasury regulations, advice (if any) relating to federal taxes that is contained in this communication is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (1) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (2) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any plan or arrangement addressed herein. Peter C. Gatto, CPA << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2005) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| Thank you Peter. I found the CCA's very useful, more for what they did not say. My client performs no services for the hospital directly and is independently compensated on a capitation program. But my my main question is still how COD under 61(a)(12) is treated by the creditor on a corporate tax return. I called all my "Kovel" accountants and no one seems to know. Timothy E Kelly, Esq. Certified Specialist Taxation Law State Bar of California Board of Legal Specialization << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2005) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| I am going to assume a "fact not in evidence" in that in addition to the loan being for the establishment of a practice in a given area, the loan is also for services provided or to be provided. That is, the physician is an employee of the hospital or an independent contractor who receives compensation from the hospital. If the physician is an employee of the hospital it is W-2 wages and the hospital has compensation expense. If the physician is not an employee of the hospital it is 1099-MISC non-employee compensation (also immediately deductible by the hospital). See Chief Counsel Advice 200003008 as modified by Chief Counsel Advice 200130038. These relate to a hospital that forgave student loans made to a physician in exchange for services, but the analysis should be similar. (The original CCA stated that if the hospital was an "applicable financial entity" (e.g., a hospital operated by an agency of the federal government, such as a military hospital), and it discharged indebtedness of a person who was not an employee of the hospital in exchange for services, the amount would have to be reported on Form 1099-C per Section 6050P. The second CCA clarified that a 1099-MISC would be filed for a non-employee rather than the 1099-C.) Peter C. Gatto, CPA << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2005) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| A hospital corporation loans money to a physician to establish a practice in a given area. For each year the physician practices in that area a portion of the debt is forgiven by the terms of the loan agreement. The physician obviously has COD income, but can any of you accounting pros tell me what the treatment of the forgiveness is by the creditor, the corporation? Is this a current expense, a capital loss or what? It could hardly be a bad debt since it it pursuant to a contract. Thanks for your help. Timothy E Kelly, Esq. Certified Specialist Taxation Law State Bar of California Board of Legal Specialization << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2005) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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