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Old 11-06-2005, 06:32 PM
DSF
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Thanks for the info! I should have read Pub 590 but did not
realize the IRS had a pub specifically for IRA's.....

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Old 10-27-2005, 06:44 AM
Barry Margolin
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"DSF" <df190765[at]hotmail.com> wrote:

- quote -

> Ok, maybe I am just not seeing something with the way the
> IRS has their rules written for a Roth IRA. Lets say you
> have contributed $4,000 to your Roth IRA by August 2005 thus
> maxing out the contribution for tax year 2005. Then in
> December 2005 you had a sale of an investment property
> (rental home) and thus have a large capital gain that puts
> you over the Roth IRA contribution phase out limits.
> According to the IRS the Roth IRA phase out says:
> "...The amount you may contribute to a Roth IRA is gradually
> reduced if your modified adjusted gross income is between
> $95,000 and $110,000 (between $150,000 and $160,000 if you
> are married and file a joint return, and between $0 and
> $10,000 if you are married, lived with your spouse and file
> a separate return)...."
> So what happens now? The IRA trustee will send the IRS info
> about your contributions and then the IRS could/will see
> that your MAGI will be at or above the phase out limits. Do
> you have to withdraw the excess contribution(s) before April
> 15th of next year? I guess maybe the other option is to
> just take a penalty if it is not too great a hit on your
> investment returns.


You're supposed to withdraw the excess contributions.

--
Barry Margolin, barmar[at]alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA

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Old 10-27-2005, 06:25 AM
David Woods, EA, ChFC, CLU
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"DSF" <df190765[at]hotmail.com> wrote:

- quote -

> Ok, maybe I am just not seeing something with the way the
> IRS has their rules written for a Roth IRA. Lets say you
> have contributed $4,000 to your Roth IRA by August 2005 thus
> maxing out the contribution for tax year 2005. Then in
> December 2005 you had a sale of an investment property
> (rental home) and thus have a large capital gain that puts
> you over the Roth IRA contribution phase out limits.
> According to the IRS the Roth IRA phase out says:
> "...The amount you may contribute to a Roth IRA is gradually
> reduced if your modified adjusted gross income is between
> $95,000 and $110,000 (between $150,000 and $160,000 if you
> are married and file a joint return, and between $0 and
> $10,000 if you are married, lived with your spouse and file
> a separate return)...."
> So what happens now? The IRA trustee will send the IRS info
> about your contributions and then the IRS could/will see
> that your MAGI will be at or above the phase out limits. Do
> you have to withdraw the excess contribution(s) before April
> 15th of next year?


Yes.

- quote -

> I guess maybe the other option is to
> just take a penalty if it is not too great a hit on your
> investment returns.


It isn't a one time penalty. It's a recurring penalty until
you remove the excess contribution.

--
David M. Woods, EA, ChFC, CLU
Woods Financial Services
Norwood, MA 02062
www.woods-financial.com

<< ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2005) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== >
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Old 10-27-2005, 06:25 AM
Phil Marti
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Default Re: Roth IRA - Capital Gains and Phase out contributions question...

"DSF" <df190765[at]hotmail.com> wrote:

- quote -

> Ok, maybe I am just not seeing something with the way the
> IRS has their rules written for a Roth IRA. Lets say you
> have contributed $4,000 to your Roth IRA by August 2005 thus
> maxing out the contribution for tax year 2005. Then in
> December 2005 you had a sale of an investment property
> (rental home) and thus have a large capital gain that puts
> you over the Roth IRA contribution phase out limits.


You can either withdraw the excess contribution and the
earnings on it or "recharacterize" it as a traditional IRA
contribution. Details are in IRS Publication 590.

--
Phil Marti
Clarksburg, MD

<< ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2005) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== >
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Old 10-26-2005, 04:53 AM
Barry Margolin
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Default Re: Roth IRA - Capital Gains and Phase out contributions question...

"DSF" <df190765[at]hotmail.com> wrote:

- quote -

> Ok, maybe I am just not seeing something with the way the
> IRS has their rules written for a Roth IRA. Lets say you
> have contributed $4,000 to your Roth IRA by August 2005 thus
> maxing out the contribution for tax year 2005. Then in
> December 2005 you had a sale of an investment property
> (rental home) and thus have a large capital gain that puts
> you over the Roth IRA contribution phase out limits.
> According to the IRS the Roth IRA phase out says:
> "...The amount you may contribute to a Roth IRA is gradually
> reduced if your modified adjusted gross income is between
> $95,000 and $110,000 (between $150,000 and $160,000 if you
> are married and file a joint return, and between $0 and
> $10,000 if you are married, lived with your spouse and file
> a separate return)...."
> So what happens now? The IRA trustee will send the IRS info
> about your contributions and then the IRS could/will see
> that your MAGI will be at or above the phase out limits. Do
> you have to withdraw the excess contribution(s) before April
> 15th of next year? I guess maybe the other option is to
> just take a penalty if it is not too great a hit on your
> investment returns.


You're supposed to withdraw the excess contributions.

--
Barry Margolin, barmar[at]alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA

<< ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2005) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== >
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Old 10-26-2005, 04:34 AM
David Woods, EA, ChFC, CLU
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Default Re: Roth IRA - Capital Gains and Phase out contributions

"DSF" <df190765[at]hotmail.com> wrote:

- quote -

> Ok, maybe I am just not seeing something with the way the
> IRS has their rules written for a Roth IRA. Lets say you
> have contributed $4,000 to your Roth IRA by August 2005 thus
> maxing out the contribution for tax year 2005. Then in
> December 2005 you had a sale of an investment property
> (rental home) and thus have a large capital gain that puts
> you over the Roth IRA contribution phase out limits.
> According to the IRS the Roth IRA phase out says:
> "...The amount you may contribute to a Roth IRA is gradually
> reduced if your modified adjusted gross income is between
> $95,000 and $110,000 (between $150,000 and $160,000 if you
> are married and file a joint return, and between $0 and
> $10,000 if you are married, lived with your spouse and file
> a separate return)...."
> So what happens now? The IRA trustee will send the IRS info
> about your contributions and then the IRS could/will see
> that your MAGI will be at or above the phase out limits. Do
> you have to withdraw the excess contribution(s) before April
> 15th of next year?


Yes.

- quote -

> I guess maybe the other option is to
> just take a penalty if it is not too great a hit on your
> investment returns.


It isn't a one time penalty. It's a recurring penalty until
you remove the excess contribution.

--
David M. Woods, EA, ChFC, CLU
Woods Financial Services
Norwood, MA 02062
www.woods-financial.com

<< ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2005) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== >
 
Old 10-26-2005, 04:34 AM
Phil Marti
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Default Re: Roth IRA - Capital Gains and Phase out contributions question...

"DSF" <df190765[at]hotmail.com> wrote:

- quote -

> Ok, maybe I am just not seeing something with the way the
> IRS has their rules written for a Roth IRA. Lets say you
> have contributed $4,000 to your Roth IRA by August 2005 thus
> maxing out the contribution for tax year 2005. Then in
> December 2005 you had a sale of an investment property
> (rental home) and thus have a large capital gain that puts
> you over the Roth IRA contribution phase out limits.


You can either withdraw the excess contribution and the
earnings on it or "recharacterize" it as a traditional IRA
contribution. Details are in IRS Publication 590.

--
Phil Marti
Clarksburg, MD

<< ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2005) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== >
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Old 10-24-2005, 04:23 AM
DSF
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Default Roth IRA - Capital Gains and Phase out contributions question...

Ok, maybe I am just not seeing something with the way the
IRS has their rules written for a Roth IRA. Lets say you
have contributed $4,000 to your Roth IRA by August 2005 thus
maxing out the contribution for tax year 2005. Then in
December 2005 you had a sale of an investment property
(rental home) and thus have a large capital gain that puts
you over the Roth IRA contribution phase out limits.
According to the IRS the Roth IRA phase out says:

"...The amount you may contribute to a Roth IRA is gradually
reduced if your modified adjusted gross income is between
$95,000 and $110,000 (between $150,000 and $160,000 if you
are married and file a joint return, and between $0 and
$10,000 if you are married, lived with your spouse and file
a separate return)...."

So what happens now? The IRA trustee will send the IRS info
about your contributions and then the IRS could/will see
that your MAGI will be at or above the phase out limits. Do
you have to withdraw the excess contribution(s) before April
15th of next year? I guess maybe the other option is to
just take a penalty if it is not too great a hit on your
investment returns.

Thanks!

<< ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2005) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== >
 

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