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| "TaxSrv" <n3_eu[at]comcast.net> wrote: - quote - > "Steve Pope" wrote:
To the extent it is below market rent, it is clearly a gift.> > The IRS might impute rental income at the market rate of > > $2500/month, and might consider $1500/month to be a gift > > (which at $18000/year, also incurs gift tax). > IRS tried hard to litigate below-market interest loans to > corp officers. There, there is an economic benefit in a > compensatory setting. Courts disagreed as to imputing > income. Called it "phantom." > Here, the tenant is receiving an economic benefit, but with > no transfer, no gift for tax purposes. Only in concept, it > is a gift. It is given to a family member for no reason other than generosity. Under the circumstances it would be very unlikely for the tenant to have to recognize imputed income. - quote - > The landlord is receiving nothing but the warm
Right. And because it's a gift to a family member, it's not> feeling of helping out family, and actually has an > (nondeductible) economic loss. treated as a business transaction, so he gets no deductions at all. Stu << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2005) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| "Steve Pope" wrote: - quote - > The IRS might impute rental income at the market rate of
IRS tried hard to litigate below-market interest loans to> $2500/month, and might consider $1500/month to be a gift > (which at $18000/year, also incurs gift tax). corp officers. There, there is an economic benefit in a compensatory setting. Courts disagreed as to imputing income. Called it "phantom." Here, the tenant is receiving an economic benefit, but with no transfer, no gift for tax purposes. Only in concept, it is a gift. The landlord is receiving nothing but the warm feeling of helping out family, and actually has an (nondeductible) economic loss. Fred F. << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2005) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| <miscellaneousmedia[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > What if a person lets a relative live in their condo, and
The IRS might impute rental income at the market rate of> they pay, as rent, maybe 1/3 to half of the fair market > value rent. Let's say $1000 a month rather than $2500 with > expenses, like utilities, maintenance, etc. Do they get to > take a business loss at year's end? Limitations? Forms? If > this was done a year ago, can they amend and get a refund? > Just curious. $2500/month, and might consider $1500/month to be a gift (which at $18000/year, also incurs gift tax). Steve << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2005) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| Hi, I am an EA and retired from IRS...My answer to the related party rental is that it falls within the limitations on loss under code section 280A...to summarize, no loss can or will be allowed. Without getting into to detail, just know that expenses can only be allowed to the extent of income derived from rents... << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2005) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| No thoughts. I understand the issue is "intent" to make a profit. What if there was no intentto make a profit, just helping out a relative, for instance. Where does the income go, even if it doesn't cover costs? Rental Loss or not? << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2005) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| If a relative lives in your condo and pays you rent below the fair market rent, the property is considered a personal use property. For a personal use property you report the rent you receive as income, but can not claim any expenses including utilities, maintenance or depreciation. << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2005) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| <miscellaneousmedia[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > What if a person lets a relative live in their condo, and
You've got a problem with the deductions since this was a> they pay, as rent, maybe 1/3 to half of the fair market > value rent. Let's say $1000 a month rather than $2500 with > expenses, like utilities, maintenance, etc. Do they get to > take a business loss at year's end? Limitations? Forms? If > this was done a year ago, can they amend and get a refund? > Just curious. family member/relative and less than FMV rent. See a competentant tax professional ASAP. Rgs, Mark << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2005) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| What if a person lets a relative live in their condo, and they pay, as rent, maybe 1/3 to half of the fair market value rent. Let's say $1000 a month rather than $2500 with expenses, like utilities, maintenance, etc. Do they get to take a business loss at year's end? Limitations? Forms? If this was done a year ago, can they amend and get a refund? Just curious. << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2005) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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