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Old 08-09-2005, 04:59 AM
Paul
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Default Re: Fully Deductable Business "Meals"?

"Jeff Wisnia" <jwisnia[at]conversent.net> wrote

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> Are any of these expenses fully deductable, and if so, how
> should they be described;
> 1. Ordering in a couple of pizzas and some soft drinks while
> holding an early evening meeting at the office with a few of
> our employees?


Probably not. The meal isn't for all employees, nor does it
seem to fit the exception.

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> 2. We provide special education services to developmentally
> disabled clients. How about the cost of meals at McDonalds
> or a Chinese restauraunt buffet for one or two of our
> therapists and a client, for the purpose of developing the
> client's pragmatic restaurant skills?


This probably is 100% deductible if it is a regular part of
your program.

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> 3. Meals provided to employees and their mates at an annual
> holiday party?


Yes, 100% deductible if all employees (and mates) are invited.

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> 4. A restaurant meal out with a subcontractor to discuss the
> details of a profit making project.


Only 50% deductible.

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> "Truth exists; only falsehood has to be invented."

True, very true.

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Paul A. Thomas, CPA
Athens, Georgia

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Old 08-09-2005, 04:40 AM
Bill
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Default Re: Fully Deductible Business "Meals"?

jwisnia[at]conversent.net (Jeff=A0Wisnia) posted:

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> I accept that when "entertaining clients" the
> IRS only allows 50% of a meal's cost to be
> deducted as a business expense.
> Are any of these expenses fully deductable,
> and if so, how should they be described;
> 1. Ordering in a couple of pizzas and some
> soft drinks while holding an early evening
> meeting at the office with a few of our
> employees?


IMO, that's a business expense -- "staff meeting refreshments."

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> 2. We provide special education services to
> developmentally disabled clients. How about
> the cost of meals at McDonalds or a Chinese
> restauraunt buffet for one or two of our
> therapists and a client, for the purpose of
> developing the client's pragmatic restaurant
> skills?


Sounds like a legitimate portion of a "course of study"
provided as a part of your business service. Business
expense, IMO.

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> 3. Meals provided to employees and their
> mates at an annual holiday party?


IMO, a legitimate business expense for employee morale and
team-building.

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> 4. A restaurant meal out with a subcontractor
> to discuss the details of a profit making
> project.


This skates on the thin edge. If you're planning something
like a building's construction and discussing details of the
sub's performance, this might be a legitimate business
expense. On the other hand, if the two of you are tossing
around ideas for a future joint business venture, probably
not kosher.

I'll be interested in other people's views.

Bill

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Old 08-09-2005, 04:40 AM
James Lewis
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Default Re: Fully Deductable Business "Meals"?

"Jeff Wisnia" <jwisnia[at]conversent.net> wrote:

- quote -

> I accept that when "entertaining clients" the IRS only
> allows 50% of a meal's cost to be deducted as a business
> expense.
> Are any of these expenses fully deductable, and if so, how
> should they be described;
> 1. Ordering in a couple of pizzas and some soft drinks while
> holding an early evening meeting at the office with a few of
> our employees?


This could qualify as meals/expense incurred for convenience
of employer. If so, its all deductible and not taxable to
employee;

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> 2. We provide special education services to developmentally
> disabled clients. How about the cost of meals at McDonalds
> or a Chinese restauraunt buffet for one or two of our
> therapists and a client, for the purpose of developing the
> client's pragmatic restaurant skills?


Keep up the good work. However for it to qualify as a
charitable contribution, it must be paid to a recognized
charitable organization. If it is actually publicised and is
actually advertisement, it might fit there;

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> 3. Meals provided to employees and their mates at an annual
> holiday party?


Gifts to any one employee is limited to a fixed amount per
year ($25 I think). Amounts above this should be reflected
in employees w2 and is deductible as compensation, like
wages.

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> 4. A restaurant meal out with a subcontractor to discuss the
> details of a profit making project.


50% deduction.

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Old 08-07-2005, 04:16 AM
Jeff Wisnia
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Default Fully Deductable Business "Meals"?

I accept that when "entertaining clients" the IRS only
allows 50% of a meal's cost to be deducted as a business
expense.

Are any of these expenses fully deductable, and if so, how
should they be described;

1. Ordering in a couple of pizzas and some soft drinks while
holding an early evening meeting at the office with a few of
our employees?

2. We provide special education services to developmentally
disabled clients. How about the cost of meals at McDonalds
or a Chinese restauraunt buffet for one or two of our
therapists and a client, for the purpose of developing the
client's pragmatic restaurant skills?

3. Meals provided to employees and their mates at an annual
holiday party?

4. A restaurant meal out with a subcontractor to discuss the
details of a profit making project.

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia

(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)

"Truth exists; only falsehood has to be invented."

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