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| jschmidt10010[at]hotmail.com wrote: - quote - > Thanks everybody for taking the time to write -- I
The beginning of the partnership is NOT arbitrary. You may> appreciate all your ideas. If I took the Phil Marti / D > Stussy approach, what should I do with the expenses? The > beginning of the partnership EIN was arbitrary (an > accountant recommended it, so we did it), not related to any > particular change in our business. So basically it was the > same business before and after, the only thing that changed > is the number we put on the W-2 forms. Given that, it's hard > to figure out exactly which of the 2004 expenses to > attribute my SS number and which ones to the partnership. > Would it seem reasonable to do it on the percentage basis? > (i.e. if at the end of the year 40% of the income is > reported on my Schedule C via the 1099s I've received, then > 40% of the expenses would be as well?) have arbitrarily decided on a date to convert - but once you converted, you converted, and that's it. You should have closed the sole-proprietor books and opened partnership books at the same time. Choosing to continue with the same set of books for the new entity as the old one is your problem to sort out. << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2005) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| Thanks everybody for taking the time to write -- I appreciate all your ideas. If I took the Phil Marti / D Stussy approach, what should I do with the expenses? The beginning of the partnership EIN was arbitrary (an accountant recommended it, so we did it), not related to any particular change in our business. So basically it was the same business before and after, the only thing that changed is the number we put on the W-2 forms. Given that, it's hard to figure out exactly which of the 2004 expenses to attribute my SS number and which ones to the partnership. Would it seem reasonable to do it on the percentage basis? (i.e. if at the end of the year 40% of the income is reported on my Schedule C via the 1099s I've received, then 40% of the expenses would be as well?) << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2005) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| Phil Marti wrote: - quote - > <jschmidt10010[at]hotmail.com> wrote:
I agree with this answer and disagree with the other three> > Midway through 2004, at the recommendation of an accountant, > > we incorporated at partnership, with its own EIN. Now, the > > question is what to do for our 2004 returns, given that half > > the people paying us had my social security number as the > > tax ID and half had the partnership number. > Report the pre-partnership income on your Schedule C and the > partnership income on the partnership return. Your returns > aren't going to match the 1099's. This goes in the "so > what?" file. [...] (so far) that have come through. The truth of the matter is that your partnership started mid-year ... so pre-partnership income is still going to be on a Schedule C for you, not your 1065. The 1099's should correspond to the treatment that applies to each of the two periods you have that comprise the year. << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2005) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| <jschmidt10010[at]hotmail.com> wrote: - quote - > My partner and I run a consulting business together. When we
Joe,> first started, the business income was listed on a schedule > C on my tax return, and the expenses were also part of that > schedule. Ocassionally, he would do consulting work on his > own, and receive his own income and expeneses. > Midway through 2004, at the recommendation of an accountant, > we incorporated at partnership, with its own EIN. Now, the > question is what to do for our 2004 returns, given that half > the people paying us had my social security number as the > tax ID and half had the partnership number. At least one > accountant I've talked to gave me the impression that it > would be possible to count all the income through the > partnership, even if the company 1099-MISCed me on my social > security number. Is there a way to "reassign" income listed > on a 1099 so that it's considered partnership income instead > of personal income? (And, of course, the partnership is just > a pass through to our personal returns anyway, or so I > understand.) > Another accountant is adamant that that can't be done, that > the IRS would have no way of knowing that the 1099 had been > "reassigned" and that they would question why the income > didn't show up on my personal return. This accountant says I > would have needed to contact the issuing businesses and ask > them to re-issue the 1099-MISC to a different tax ID number. > Having not done that, I'm stuck (for 2004 at least) with > filing the partnership return, and a schedule C. Since they > are the same expenses, this accountant recommends dividing > the expenses proportionally between the Schedule C on my > personal return and the partnership. > Who's right? Obviously, I'd much rather have everything > through the partnership -- it seems much simpler. But will > it cause problems with the IRS? If you have a partnership report everything on the partnership. On you personal report the 1099's and in the other expense area of the Schedule C report all the income as an expense with a caption similiar to "income reported on XYZ partnership form 1065 # XX-XXXXXXX for FYE 12/31/04. I do this all the time and never a question. Next get the EIN's changed on those 1099s for 2005 to the partnership. -- Regards, Mark Rigotti << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << It may not be relied upon for the purpose of avoiding > << penalties that may be imposed on the taxpayer or the > << tax preparer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2005) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| <jschmidt10010[at]hotmail.com> wrote: - quote - > Midway through 2004, at the recommendation of an accountant,
Report the pre-partnership income on your Schedule C and the> we incorporated at partnership, with its own EIN. Now, the > question is what to do for our 2004 returns, given that half > the people paying us had my social security number as the > tax ID and half had the partnership number. partnership income on the partnership return. Your returns aren't going to match the 1099's. This goes in the "so what?" file. IRS will probably inquire about the "missing" 1099 income, you'll provide copies of the Schedule A and the partnership return, and that will be that. -- Phil Marti Clarksburg, MD << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << It may not be relied upon for the purpose of avoiding > << penalties that may be imposed on the taxpayer or the > << tax preparer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2005) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| "jschmidt10010[at]hotmail.com" <jschmidt10010[at]hotmail.com> wrote: - quote - > My partner and I run a consulting business together. When we
Prepare what's called a "nominee" 1099. It's just a regular> first started, the business income was listed on a schedule > C on my tax return, and the expenses were also part of that > schedule. Ocassionally, he would do consulting work on his > own, and receive his own income and expeneses. > Midway through 2004, at the recommendation of an accountant, > we incorporated at partnership, with its own EIN. Now, the > question is what to do for our 2004 returns, given that half > the people paying us had my social security number as the > tax ID and half had the partnership number. At least one > accountant I've talked to gave me the impression that it > would be possible to count all the income through the > partnership, even if the company 1099-MISCed me on my social > security number. Is there a way to "reassign" income listed > on a 1099 so that it's considered partnership income instead > of personal income? (And, of course, the partnership is just > a pass through to our personal returns anyway, or so I > understand.) > Another accountant is adamant that that can't be done, that > the IRS would have no way of knowing that the 1099 had been > "reassigned" and that they would question why the income > didn't show up on my personal return. This accountant says I > would have needed to contact the issuing businesses and ask > them to re-issue the 1099-MISC to a different tax ID number. > Having not done that, I'm stuck (for 2004 at least) with > filing the partnership return, and a schedule C. Since they > are the same expenses, this accountant recommends dividing > the expenses proportionally between the Schedule C on my > personal return and the partnership. > Who's right? Obviously, I'd much rather have everything > through the partnership -- it seems much simpler. But will > it cause problems with the IRS? 1099 that you (the individual) "pay" to the partnership. Then, on the IRS' records you show a net zero. Now, some of your 1099 income probably should still go on the schedule C: that which represents the income from before the date the two of you decided to go into business together. -- Tom Healy, CPA Boulder, CO Web: http://www.tomhealycpa.com << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << It may not be relied upon for the purpose of avoiding > << penalties that may be imposed on the taxpayer or the > << tax preparer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2005) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| jschmidt10010[at]hotmail.com wrote: - quote - > My partner and I run a consulting business together. When we
The ONLY thing I might take issue with above is the> first started, the business income was listed on a schedule > C on my tax return, and the expenses were also part of that > schedule. Ocassionally, he would do consulting work on his > own, and receive his own income and expeneses. > Midway through 2004, at the recommendation of an accountant, > we incorporated at partnership, with its own EIN. Now, the > question is what to do for our 2004 returns, given that half > the people paying us had my social security number as the > tax ID and half had the partnership number. At least one > accountant I've talked to gave me the impression that it > would be possible to count all the income through the > partnership, even if the company 1099-MISCed me on my social > security number. Is there a way to "reassign" income listed > on a 1099 so that it's considered partnership income instead > of personal income? (And, of course, the partnership is just > a pass through to our personal returns anyway, or so I > understand.) > Another accountant is adamant that that can't be done, that > the IRS would have no way of knowing that the 1099 had been > "reassigned" and that they would question why the income > didn't show up on my personal return. This accountant says I > would have needed to contact the issuing businesses and ask > them to re-issue the 1099-MISC to a different tax ID number. > Having not done that, I'm stuck (for 2004 at least) with > filing the partnership return, and a schedule C. Since they > are the same expenses, this accountant recommends dividing > the expenses proportionally between the Schedule C on my > personal return and the partnership. > Who's right? Obviously, I'd much rather have everything > through the partnership -- it seems much simpler. But will > it cause problems with the IRS? "adamant" attitude of the second accountant. While the accepted and preferred method is for all issuers to provide 1099's only in the name/number of the partnership, rather than try to get corrections at this late date, I would go along with the first accountant, in fact this is what I have done, or I wouldn't be mentioning it. And then when and if the IRS ever brings it to your attention, about the 1099 to you only, just answer their letter with proof that said amount(s) were aptly reported on the 1065. ChEAr$, Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << It may not be relied upon for the purpose of avoiding > << penalties that may be imposed on the taxpayer or the > << tax preparer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2005) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| My partner and I run a consulting business together. When we first started, the business income was listed on a schedule C on my tax return, and the expenses were also part of that schedule. Ocassionally, he would do consulting work on his own, and receive his own income and expeneses. Midway through 2004, at the recommendation of an accountant, we incorporated at partnership, with its own EIN. Now, the question is what to do for our 2004 returns, given that half the people paying us had my social security number as the tax ID and half had the partnership number. At least one accountant I've talked to gave me the impression that it would be possible to count all the income through the partnership, even if the company 1099-MISCed me on my social security number. Is there a way to "reassign" income listed on a 1099 so that it's considered partnership income instead of personal income? (And, of course, the partnership is just a pass through to our personal returns anyway, or so I understand.) Another accountant is adamant that that can't be done, that the IRS would have no way of knowing that the 1099 had been "reassigned" and that they would question why the income didn't show up on my personal return. This accountant says I would have needed to contact the issuing businesses and ask them to re-issue the 1099-MISC to a different tax ID number. Having not done that, I'm stuck (for 2004 at least) with filing the partnership return, and a schedule C. Since they are the same expenses, this accountant recommends dividing the expenses proportionally between the Schedule C on my personal return and the partnership. Who's right? Obviously, I'd much rather have everything through the partnership -- it seems much simpler. But will it cause problems with the IRS? Jen << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << It may not be relied upon for the purpose of avoiding > << penalties that may be imposed on the taxpayer or the > << tax preparer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2005) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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