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Old 07-01-2005, 03:35 AM
Herb Smith
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Norma Desmond wrote:
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> "Herb Smith" <smithff33[at]aol.com> wrote:
> > Norma Desmond wrote:
> > > > nearly_blind[at]yahoo.com wrote:


> > > > > I need to travel out of state (1500 miles) to the closing
> > > > > for the sale of some investment property (vacant residential
> > > > > lot). Are the travel expenses for this tax deductable in any
> > > > > way, either against my regular income or on the capital
> > > > > gains tax on the lot sale?
> > > > > > > > > What about other expenses relating to the sale,
> > > > > e.g. Fedex costs for sending contracts, etc?


> > > > The seller of real estate rarely is required to be present
> > > > at the actual "closing", as they are represented by the
> > > > title company or other closing agent. All signatures, etc
> > > > can be obtained beforehand and faxed or sent FedEx ahead of
> > > > the closing date. Therefore, I think any such travel
> > > > expenses would NOT be deductible in any way.
> > > > > > > Phone calls, fax charges, FedEx, etc would all be considered
> > > > costs of sale, and used to adjust the selling price for
> > > > capital gains calculation.


> > > so you are saying he must buy such property sight unseen?
> > > No, I am not. If you read the OP you will see that he is the

> > SELLER of the property, not the BUYER. As seller, I assume
> > he already knows what it looks like.


> ok, I'm busted! But, how does one account for such expenses
> if he is the buyer?


The BUYER can add them to the cost basis of the property.

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Old 07-01-2005, 02:57 AM
Harlan Lunsford
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Norma Desmond wrote:

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> ok, I'm busted! But, how does one account for such expenses
> if he is the buyer?


Add to basis of the property.

ChEAr$,
Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA

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Old 06-29-2005, 03:52 PM
Norma Desmond
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"Herb Smith" <smithff33[at]aol.com> wrote:
- quote -

> Norma Desmond wrote:
> > > nearly_blind[at]yahoo.com wrote:


> > > > I need to travel out of state (1500 miles) to the closing
> > > > for the sale of some investment property (vacant residential
> > > > lot). Are the travel expenses for this tax deductable in any
> > > > way, either against my regular income or on the capital
> > > > gains tax on the lot sale?
> > > > > > > What about other expenses relating to the sale,
> > > > e.g. Fedex costs for sending contracts, etc?


> > > The seller of real estate rarely is required to be present
> > > at the actual "closing", as they are represented by the
> > > title company or other closing agent. All signatures, etc
> > > can be obtained beforehand and faxed or sent FedEx ahead of
> > > the closing date. Therefore, I think any such travel
> > > expenses would NOT be deductible in any way.
> > > > > Phone calls, fax charges, FedEx, etc would all be considered
> > > costs of sale, and used to adjust the selling price for
> > > capital gains calculation.


> > so you are saying he must buy such property sight unseen?

> No, I am not. If you read the OP you will see that he is the
> SELLER of the property, not the BUYER. As seller, I assume
> he already knows what it looks like.


ok, I'm busted! But, how does one account for such expenses
if he is the buyer?

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Old 06-29-2005, 03:33 PM
Herb Smith
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D. Stussy wrote:
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> Herb Smith wrote:
> > nearly_blind[at]yahoo.com wrote:


> > > I need to travel out of state (1500 miles) to the closing
> > > for the sale of some investment property (vacant residential
> > > lot). Are the travel expenses for this tax deductable in any
> > > way, either against my regular income or on the capital
> > > gains tax on the lot sale?
> > > > > What about other expenses relating to the sale,
> > > e.g. Fedex costs for sending contracts, etc?


> > The seller of real estate rarely is required to be present
> > at the actual "closing", as they are represented by the
> > title company or other closing agent. All signatures, etc
> > can be obtained beforehand and faxed or sent FedEx ahead of
> > the closing date. Therefore, I think any such travel
> > expenses would NOT be deductible in any way.


> Just because he doesn't HAVE TO be present doesn't mean that
> he CAN'T be present. I have a problem with your comment in
> that it strongly implies that the IRS can tell someone how
> to run their business and investment affairs - and I don't
> think that's the case at all. There is also nothing that
> states that a taxpayer must choose the cheapest method,
> etc....


I agree with your comments, but the IRS does not have to
allow such a deduction, merely because you elected to incur
the expense. Under certain circumstances, the expense of
travel MIGHT be considered an expense of sale on your
Schedule D, not a deduction on Schedule A.

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Old 06-27-2005, 02:58 PM
D. Stussy
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Herb Smith wrote:
- quote -

> nearly_blind[at]yahoo.com wrote:

> > I need to travel out of state (1500 miles) to the closing
> > for the sale of some investment property (vacant residential
> > lot). Are the travel expenses for this tax deductable in any
> > way, either against my regular income or on the capital
> > gains tax on the lot sale?
> > > What about other expenses relating to the sale,

> > e.g. Fedex costs for sending contracts, etc?


> The seller of real estate rarely is required to be present
> at the actual "closing", as they are represented by the
> title company or other closing agent. All signatures, etc
> can be obtained beforehand and faxed or sent FedEx ahead of
> the closing date. Therefore, I think any such travel
> expenses would NOT be deductible in any way.


Just because he doesn't HAVE TO be present doesn't mean that
he CAN'T be present. I have a problem with your comment in
that it strongly implies that the IRS can tell someone how
to run their business and investment affairs - and I don't
think that's the case at all. There is also nothing that
states that a taxpayer must choose the cheapest method,
etc....

<< ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << It may not be relied upon for the purpose of avoiding > << penalties that may be imposed on the taxpayer or the > << tax preparer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2005) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== >
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Old 06-27-2005, 02:39 PM
A.G. Kalman
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Norma Desmond wrote:
- quote -

> "Herb Smith" <smithff33[at]aol.com> wrote:
> > nearly_blind[at]yahoo.com wrote:


> > > I need to travel out of state (1500 miles) to the closing
> > > for the sale of some investment property (vacant residential
> > > lot). Are the travel expenses for this tax deductable in any
> > > way, either against my regular income or on the capital
> > > gains tax on the lot sale?
> > > > > What about other expenses relating to the sale,
> > > e.g. Fedex costs for sending contracts, etc?


> > The seller of real estate rarely is required to be present
> > at the actual "closing", as they are represented by the
> > title company or other closing agent. All signatures, etc
> > can be obtained beforehand and faxed or sent FedEx ahead of
> > the closing date. Therefore, I think any such travel
> > expenses would NOT be deductible in any way.
> > > Phone calls, fax charges, FedEx, etc would all be considered

> > costs of sale, and used to adjust the selling price for
> > capital gains calculation.


> so you are saying he must buy such property sight unseen?


The OP said that this was a "sale" of a residential lot held
for investment. I agree with Herb Smith that a trip to
close on this property is it not necessary and would not be
deductible.

--
Alan
http://taxtopics.net

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Old 06-27-2005, 02:20 PM
Seth Breidbart
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Norma Desmond <ND[at]ND.com> wrote:
- quote -

> "Herb Smith" <smithff33[at]aol.com> wrote:
> > nearly_blind[at]yahoo.com wrote:


> > > I need to travel out of state (1500 miles) to the
> > > closing


> > The seller of real estate rarely is required to be present
> > at the actual "closing", as they are represented by the
> > title company or other closing agent. All signatures, etc
> > can be obtained beforehand and faxed or sent FedEx ahead of
> > the closing date. Therefore, I think any such travel
> > expenses would NOT be deductible in any way.


> so you are saying he must buy such property sight unseen?


He's _selling_ the property. At this point, all he should
care about is getting money.

Seth

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Old 06-27-2005, 02:20 PM
Harlan Lunsford
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Norma Desmond wrote:
- quote -

> "Herb Smith" <smithff33[at]aol.com> wrote:
> > nearly_blind[at]yahoo.com wrote:


> > > I need to travel out of state (1500 miles) to the
> > > closing for the sale of some investment property (vacant
> > > residential lot). Are the travel expenses for this tax
> > > deductable in any way, either against my regular income
> > > or on the capital gains tax on the lot sale?
> > > > > What about other expenses relating to the sale,
> > > e.g. Fedex costs for sending contracts, etc?


> > The seller of real estate rarely is required to be present
> > at the actual "closing", as they are represented by the
> > title company or other closing agent. All signatures, etc
> > can be obtained beforehand and faxed or sent FedEx ahead
> > of the closing date. Therefore, I think any such travel
> > expenses would NOT be deductible in any way.
> > > Phone calls, fax charges, FedEx, etc would all be considered

> > costs of sale, and used to adjust the selling price for
> > capital gains calculation.


> so you are saying he must buy such property sight unseen?


The OP said for the "sale" of the property, not the buying
thereof, therefore no need to travel when one can deputize.

"Norma Desmond".. heard the name before.... movie star of
yon olden times?

ChEAr$,
Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA

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Old 06-27-2005, 02:20 PM
Drew Edmundson
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"Norma Desmond" <ND[at]ND.com> wrote:
- quote -

> "Herb Smith" <smithff33[at]aol.com> wrote:
> > nearly_blind[at]yahoo.com wrote:


> > > I need to travel out of state (1500 miles) to the closing
> > > for the sale of some investment property (vacant residential
> > > lot). Are the travel expenses for this tax deductable in any
> > > way, either against my regular income or on the capital
> > > gains tax on the lot sale?
> > > > > What about other expenses relating to the sale,
> > > e.g. Fedex costs for sending contracts, etc?


> > The seller of real estate rarely is required to be present
> > at the actual "closing", as they are represented by the
> > title company or other closing agent. All signatures, etc
> > can be obtained beforehand and faxed or sent FedEx ahead of
> > the closing date. Therefore, I think any such travel
> > expenses would NOT be deductible in any way.
> > > Phone calls, fax charges, FedEx, etc would all be considered

> > costs of sale, and used to adjust the selling price for
> > capital gains calculation.


> so you are saying he must buy such property sight unseen?


I think you need to re-read the original post. Going to a
closing implies they have already signed a contract so they
have to close unless some condition has not been met. I
think the time to see this property is before they sign a
contract and commit to close.

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Old 06-27-2005, 02:01 PM
Herb Smith
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Norma Desmond wrote:
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> > nearly_blind[at]yahoo.com wrote:

> > > I need to travel out of state (1500 miles) to the closing
> > > for the sale of some investment property (vacant residential
> > > lot). Are the travel expenses for this tax deductable in any
> > > way, either against my regular income or on the capital
> > > gains tax on the lot sale?
> > > > > What about other expenses relating to the sale,
> > > e.g. Fedex costs for sending contracts, etc?


> > The seller of real estate rarely is required to be present
> > at the actual "closing", as they are represented by the
> > title company or other closing agent. All signatures, etc
> > can be obtained beforehand and faxed or sent FedEx ahead of
> > the closing date. Therefore, I think any such travel
> > expenses would NOT be deductible in any way.
> > > Phone calls, fax charges, FedEx, etc would all be considered

> > costs of sale, and used to adjust the selling price for
> > capital gains calculation.


> so you are saying he must buy such property sight unseen?


No, I am not. If you read the OP you will see that he is the
SELLER of the property, not the BUYER. As seller, I assume
he already knows what it looks like.

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Old 06-22-2005, 05:13 AM
Norma Desmond
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"Herb Smith" <smithff33[at]aol.com> wrote:

- quote -

> << General Disclaimer:
> > > > > >

> nearly_blind[at]yahoo.com wrote:


> > I need to travel out of state (1500 miles) to the

closing
> > for the sale of some investment property (vacant

residential
> > lot). Are the travel expenses for this tax deductable in

any
> > way, either against my regular income or on the capital
> > gains tax on the lot sale?
> > > What about other expenses relating to the sale,

> > e.g. Fedex costs for sending contracts, etc?


> The seller of real estate rarely is required to be present
> at the actual "closing", as they are represented by the
> title company or other closing agent. All signatures, etc
> can be obtained beforehand and faxed or sent FedEx ahead

of
> the closing date. Therefore, I think any such travel
> expenses would NOT be deductible in any way.
> Phone calls, fax charges, FedEx, etc would all be

considered
> costs of sale, and used to adjust the selling price for
> capital gains calculation.


so you are saying he must buy such property sight unseen?

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Old 06-21-2005, 10:29 PM
Herb Smith
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nearly_blind[at]yahoo.com wrote:

- quote -

> I need to travel out of state (1500 miles) to the closing
> for the sale of some investment property (vacant residential
> lot). Are the travel expenses for this tax deductable in any
> way, either against my regular income or on the capital
> gains tax on the lot sale?
> What about other expenses relating to the sale,
> e.g. Fedex costs for sending contracts, etc?


The seller of real estate rarely is required to be present
at the actual "closing", as they are represented by the
title company or other closing agent. All signatures, etc
can be obtained beforehand and faxed or sent FedEx ahead of
the closing date. Therefore, I think any such travel
expenses would NOT be deductible in any way.

Phone calls, fax charges, FedEx, etc would all be considered
costs of sale, and used to adjust the selling price for
capital gains calculation.

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Old 06-21-2005, 04:32 AM
nearly_blind@yahoo.com
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Default Deductability of travel expenses for invest. realestate closing?

I need to travel out of state (1500 miles) to the closing
for the sale of some investment property (vacant residential
lot). Are the travel expenses for this tax deductable in any
way, either against my regular income or on the capital
gains tax on the lot sale?

What about other expenses relating to the sale,
e.g. Fedex costs for sending contracts, etc?
Thanks.

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