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| A.G. Kalman wrote: - quote - > Katie wrote:
Oh, 100% conformity would be WAY too much to hope for. I> > A.G. Kalman wrote: > > > Katie wrote: > > > > How true, alas. We haven't had a date-change conformity > > > > bill since 2002, which set the conformity date to January 1, > > > > 2001 (to avoid picking up expensive 2002 federal changes > > > > like the 30% additional depreciation allowance). So, > > > > California conforms to the IRC as it was in effect as of > > > > that date, except as otherwise provided in the California > > > > statute, for years beginning in 2002, 2003, and 2004. > > > > > > > Before 2002, the last date-change bill was enacted in 1998. > > > > For years beginning in 1998, 1999, 2000, and 2001, > > > > California conformed to federal law as it was in effect as > > > > of January 1, 1998, unless specifically provided otherwise. > > > > > > > And the prospects don't look all that good for moving the > > > > conformity date up this year. > > > For what it's worth: AB 115 which sets the conformity date > > > to 1/1/05 with exceptions passed the Assembly on June 1st > > > and has been read twice and amended (June 20th) and now sits > > > with the Senate Revenue & Taxation Committee. It is > > > scheduled for hearing on June 29th. > I hope you didn't miss the part of my post that said "with > exceptions"? e.g., passive activity loses and the student > loan interest deduction would still not conform. don't think it's ever happened, in my 30-year experience <G> . Katie << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << It may not be relied upon for the purpose of avoiding > << penalties that may be imposed on the taxpayer or the > << tax preparer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2005) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| Katie wrote: - quote - > A.G. Kalman wrote:
I hope you didn't miss the part of my post that said "with> > Katie wrote: > > > How true, alas. We haven't had a date-change conformity > > > bill since 2002, which set the conformity date to January 1, > > > 2001 (to avoid picking up expensive 2002 federal changes > > > like the 30% additional depreciation allowance). So, > > > California conforms to the IRC as it was in effect as of > > > that date, except as otherwise provided in the California > > > statute, for years beginning in 2002, 2003, and 2004. > > > > > Before 2002, the last date-change bill was enacted in 1998. > > > For years beginning in 1998, 1999, 2000, and 2001, > > > California conformed to federal law as it was in effect as > > > of January 1, 1998, unless specifically provided otherwise. > > > > > And the prospects don't look all that good for moving the > > > conformity date up this year. > > For what it's worth: AB 115 which sets the conformity date > > to 1/1/05 with exceptions passed the Assembly on June 1st > > and has been read twice and amended (June 20th) and now sits > > with the Senate Revenue & Taxation Committee. It is > > scheduled for hearing on June 29th. exceptions"? e.g., passive activity loses and the student loan interest deduction would still not conform. -- Alan http://taxtopics.net << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << It may not be relied upon for the purpose of avoiding > << penalties that may be imposed on the taxpayer or the > << tax preparer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2005) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| A.G. Kalman wrote: - quote - > Katie wrote: > > How true, alas. We haven't had a date-change conformity > > bill since 2002, which set the conformity date to January 1, > > 2001 (to avoid picking up expensive 2002 federal changes > > like the 30% additional depreciation allowance). So, > > California conforms to the IRC as it was in effect as of > > that date, except as otherwise provided in the California > > statute, for years beginning in 2002, 2003, and 2004. > > > Before 2002, the last date-change bill was enacted in 1998. > > For years beginning in 1998, 1999, 2000, and 2001, > > California conformed to federal law as it was in effect as > > of January 1, 1998, unless specifically provided otherwise. > > > And the prospects don't look all that good for moving the > > conformity date up this year. > For what it's worth: AB 115 which sets the conformity date > to 1/1/05 with exceptions passed the Assembly on June 1st > and has been read twice and amended (June 20th) and now sits > with the Senate Revenue & Taxation Committee. It is > scheduled for hearing on June 29th. Good. Maybe there is hope after all. Katie << ================================================== ===== > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << It may not be relied upon for the purpose of avoiding > << penalties that may be imposed on the taxpayer or the > << tax preparer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2005) - All rights reserved. > << ================================================== ===== > |
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| << General Disclaimer: > << The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only > << and does NOT constitute legal OR professional advice. > << It cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of > << avoiding penalties that may be imposed on the taxpayer. > << ================================================== ===== > Katie wrote: - quote - > Stuart A. Bronstein wrote:
For what it's worth: AB 115 which sets the conformity date> > "Katie" <katiej_1958[at]yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Actually, a change in your California wages COULD have an > > > income tax effect. There are a few items of income that are > > > exempt for California and taxable for federal purposes, and > > > vice versa. California taxes are not based on federal AGI, > > > although that is the way the form is laid out. Instead, > > > California defines taxable income by its own statutory > > > rules, which reference the federal law but differ from it in > > > numerous respects. > > Under California's constitution, automatically basing income > > taxes on adjusted gross income as defined by anyone other > > than the Cal legislature is prohibited. They usually follow > > the federal changes, but not always, and sometimes it takes > > a few years. > How true, alas. We haven't had a date-change conformity > bill since 2002, which set the conformity date to January 1, > 2001 (to avoid picking up expensive 2002 federal changes > like the 30% additional depreciation allowance). So, > California conforms to the IRC as it was in effect as of > that date, except as otherwise provided in the California > statute, for years beginning in 2002, 2003, and 2004. > Before 2002, the last date-change bill was enacted in 1998. > For years beginning in 1998, 1999, 2000, and 2001, > California conformed to federal law as it was in effect as > of January 1, 1998, unless specifically provided otherwise. > And the prospects don't look all that good for moving the > conformity date up this year. > Katie in San Diego to 1/1/05 with exceptions passed the Assembly on June 1st and has been read twice and amended (June 20th) and now sits with the Senate Revenue & Taxation Committee. It is scheduled for hearing on June 29th. -- Alan http://taxtopics.net << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << Copyright (2005) - All rights reserved > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Stuart A. Bronstein wrote: - quote - > "Katie" <katiej_1958[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
How true, alas. We haven't had a date-change conformity> > Actually, a change in your California wages COULD have an > > income tax effect. There are a few items of income that are > > exempt for California and taxable for federal purposes, and > > vice versa. California taxes are not based on federal AGI, > > although that is the way the form is laid out. Instead, > > California defines taxable income by its own statutory > > rules, which reference the federal law but differ from it in > > numerous respects. > Under California's constitution, automatically basing income > taxes on adjusted gross income as defined by anyone other > than the Cal legislature is prohibited. They usually follow > the federal changes, but not always, and sometimes it takes > a few years. bill since 2002, which set the conformity date to January 1, 2001 (to avoid picking up expensive 2002 federal changes like the 30% additional depreciation allowance). So, California conforms to the IRC as it was in effect as of that date, except as otherwise provided in the California statute, for years beginning in 2002, 2003, and 2004. Before 2002, the last date-change bill was enacted in 1998. For years beginning in 1998, 1999, 2000, and 2001, California conformed to federal law as it was in effect as of January 1, 1998, unless specifically provided otherwise. And the prospects don't look all that good for moving the conformity date up this year. Katie in San Diego The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only and does not constitute legal or professional advice. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << Copyright (2005) - All rights reserved > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "Katie" <katiej_1958[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > Actually, a change in your California wages COULD have an
Under California's constitution, automatically basing income> income tax effect. There are a few items of income that are > exempt for California and taxable for federal purposes, and > vice versa. California taxes are not based on federal AGI, > although that is the way the form is laid out. Instead, > California defines taxable income by its own statutory > rules, which reference the federal law but differ from it in > numerous respects. taxes on adjusted gross income as defined by anyone other than the Cal legislature is prohibited. They usually follow the federal changes, but not always, and sometimes it takes a few years. Stu << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Katie wrote: - quote - > Nan, EA in LA wrote:
As I mentioned in my initial post, the ONLY CORRECTION is on> > You must amend the Federal 1040. Simple process. But call > > the Franchise Tax Board and hold on until you get a person - > > and explain. They may be able to tell you the situation in > > the processing. But I'd do a 540X along with the 1040X and > > assume that the California refund has been paid. > Nan, I don't understand why the federal return needs to be amended in > this case. Nothing has changed for federal purposes, as I understand > it. Only the California return needs to be amended. What am I > missing? > I would wait for the original return to be processed before filing the > 540X unless there is a large additional payment due (on which interest > will continue to run until it is paid). In that case I'd file the 540X > and pay the tax as soon as possible to stop the interest, assuming that > the refund claimed on the original return has been or will be paid (as > you suggest). Otherwise I'd wait. line 16 (state wages), and this line is NOT used anywhere on 1040. So, I do not think I need to file 1040x. Also, California form 540 has a line for state wages. However, this information is NOT used in tax calculations. Instead, California incomes taxes are based on Federal AGI. So, it appears that even my state tax won't change from this correction. What do you think? Bhoot Nath. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| deja_bhoot2000[at]yahoo.com wrote: - quote - > Nan, EA in LA wrote:
Actually, a change in your California wages COULD have an> > You must amend the Federal 1040. Simple process. > Nan & other MTM professionals, > As I mentioned in my initial post, the ONLY CORRECTION is on line 16 > (state wages), and this line is NOT used anywhere on 1040. So, why do I > need to follow 1040x? > Also, California form 540 has a line for state wages. However, this > information is NOT used in tax calculations. Instead, California > incomes taxes are based on Federal AGI. > So, it appears that eveny my state tax won't change from this > correction. I invite comments from someone in CA... income tax effect. There are a few items of income that are exempt for California and taxable for federal purposes, and vice versa. California taxes are not based on federal AGI, although that is the way the form is laid out. Instead, California defines taxable income by its own statutory rules, which reference the federal law but differ from it in numerous respects. Schedule CA is provided to detail those differences as additions to or subtractions from the federal amounts. I presume you are a California resident, since you filed Form 540. The difference, if any, between your state wages and federal wages, therefore, has to do with differences between state and federal law (i.e., it's not a sourcing issue). If the corrected W-2 California wages are the same as the federal wages originally reported, and you did not make a Schedule CA adjustment on your original return for the difference, you do not need to do anything. If the corrected W-2 California wages are more or less than the amount reported for federal purposes, you may have additional tax liability or a potential refund arising from the correction. I agree that if nothing has changed for federal purposes, you have no need to file an amended federal return in any case. And if the change does not affect your California tax liability, you don't have to file an amended California return either. Katie in San Diego The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only and does not constitute legal or professional advice. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| deja_bhoot2000[at]yahoo.com wrote: - quote - > Nan, EA in LA wrote:
CA income tax computations start with federal AGI and make> > You must amend the Federal 1040. Simple process. > Nan & other MTM professionals, > As I mentioned in my initial post, the ONLY CORRECTION is on line 16 > (state wages), and this line is NOT used anywhere on 1040. So, why do I > need to follow 1040x? > Also, California form 540 has a line for state wages. However, this > information is NOT used in tax calculations. Instead, California > incomes taxes are based on Federal AGI. > So, it appears that eveny my state tax won't change from this > correction. I invite comments from someone in CA... adjustments to conform to CA tax law. This gets you to CA AGI. You subtract either the CA standard deduction or CA itemized deductions to arrive at CA taxable income before CA tax credits. It is quite possible you are entitled to an adjustment for wages. E.g., CA does not have the $195/month limit on the value of parking provided by an employer. Both CA and the Feds provide an exclusion for employer provided health insurance. CA provides that exclusion for registered domestic partners who are not your dependent. The Feds do not provide that benefit. If your employer changed your W-2 wages for only CA reporting, you need to find out why. If the change is to conform to CA tax law and you did not make the adjustment on your original CA 540, you should file the 540X. The instructions in the tax booklet for CA Schedule CA (540) lists various adjustments to AGI. CA Pub 1001 goes into more detail. http://www.ftb.ca.gov/forms/04_forms/04_1001pub.pdf There is no need to amend your 1040 if the only change affected CA income. -- Alan http://taxtopics.net << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Nan, EA in LA wrote: - quote - > You must amend the Federal 1040. Simple process. But call
Nan, I don't understand why the federal return needs to be amended in> the Franchise Tax Board and hold on until you get a person - > and explain. They may be able to tell you the situation in > the processing. But I'd do a 540X along with the 1040X and > assume that the California refund has been paid. this case. Nothing has changed for federal purposes, as I understand it. Only the California return needs to be amended. What am I missing? I would wait for the original return to be processed before filing the 540X unless there is a large additional payment due (on which interest will continue to run until it is paid). In that case I'd file the 540X and pay the tax as soon as possible to stop the interest, assuming that the refund claimed on the original return has been or will be paid (as you suggest). Otherwise I'd wait. Katie in San Diego The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only and does not constitute legal or professional advice. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Nan, EA in LA wrote: - quote - > You must amend the Federal 1040. Simple process.
Nan & other MTM professionals,As I mentioned in my initial post, the ONLY CORRECTION is on line 16 (state wages), and this line is NOT used anywhere on 1040. So, why do I need to follow 1040x? Also, California form 540 has a line for state wages. However, this information is NOT used in tax calculations. Instead, California incomes taxes are based on Federal AGI. So, it appears that eveny my state tax won't change from this correction. I invite comments from someone in CA... Bhoot Nath << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| deja_bhoot2000[at]yahoo.com wrote: - quote - > On April 22nd, I filed paper version of Federal and
File the 540X if you are required to make a payment. If you> California tax returns. Previously, I had filed timely > extension requests. The federal tax return was processed on > May 27th and I received the small refund I had claimed. > Online check with Franchise Tax Board of California shows no > record of my filing, but I think that's OK, since they need > about 8 weeks to process paper returns. > Now we have received a corrected W-2 (W-2C); the ONLY CHANGE > is in line 16 (State wages). Which is these options should I > choose? > 1. File a new CA 540, since April 22nd filing has not been > processed. > 2. File CA 540X. > 3. Wait until previous 540 has been processed, and then > file 540X. > Also, is there anything that I need to do for Federal taxes? are requesting a refund, the choice is yours. File the 540X now or wait until the 540 is processed. I would file the 540X. -- Alan http://taxtopics.net << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| You must amend the Federal 1040. Simple process. But call the Franchise Tax Board and hold on until you get a person - and explain. They may be able to tell you the situation in the processing. But I'd do a 540X along with the 1040X and assume that the California refund has been paid. Nan, EA in LA << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| On April 22nd, I filed paper version of Federal and California tax returns. Previously, I had filed timely extension requests. The federal tax return was processed on May 27th and I received the small refund I had claimed. Online check with Franchise Tax Board of California shows no record of my filing, but I think that's OK, since they need about 8 weeks to process paper returns. Now we have received a corrected W-2 (W-2C); the ONLY CHANGE is in line 16 (State wages). Which is these options should I choose? 1. File a new CA 540, since April 22nd filing has not been processed. 2. File CA 540X. 3. Wait until previous 540 has been processed, and then file 540X. Also, is there anything that I need to do for Federal taxes? Thanks. Bhoot Nath << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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