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| "Lanny Williams, CPA" <lanny[at]expatriatetax.net> wrote: - quote - > Cory wrote:
I think it depends on the context. When I've seen the> > "John" <John[at]john.com> wrote: > > > "Sales of all, or substantially all, assets" is a common > > > phrase. What assets are meant; > > Cash is excluded because who actually buys cash? > > Substantially all is 90%. > I don't believe you can put a definitive percentage to this. > Such determinations are always a "facts and circumstances" > issue, thus making them unique to each case. I would say > than "substantially all" assets would be everything that can > readily be sold or otherwise disposed of without actually > trashing it. phrase it generally refers to an ongoing business. To sell substantially all the assets of the business means to sell the business as a going concern and all the assets that are necessary for the business to keep functioning. A specific percentage would not fit the bill in this kind of situation. Stu << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Cory wrote: - quote - > "John" <John[at]john.com> wrote:
I don't believe you can put a definitive percentage to this.> > I know a definitive answer is probably too much to ask for, > > but I can hope... > > > "Sales of all, or substantially all, assets" is a common > > phrase. What assets are meant; all assets including cash > > (how does one sell cash?), all assets excluding cash (why is > > cash excluded?), or operating assets? What percentage of > > assets is "substantially all", 51%, 99%? Or is it all vague > > and designed to elicit litigation? > > > If someone can point to a definitive reference for this, I > > will name my next child after you. > Cash is excluded because who actually buys cash? > Substantially all is 90%. Such determinations are always a "facts and circumstances" issue, thus making them unique to each case. I would say than "substantially all" assets would be everything that can readily be sold or otherwise disposed of without actually trashing it. Any remaining assets should be of insignificant importance to either the financial condition of the entity or the operations of the business. Lanny K. Williams, CPA Nawarat, Williams & Co., Ltd. Income Tax Services for Expatriate Americans << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Cory <REMOVEcorycomerford[at]gmail.comREMOVE> wrote: - quote - > Cash is excluded because who actually buys cash?
Not all that long ago, there were any number of leveragedbuyouts where the cash accumulated by the target (company being acquired) was a large part of the incentive; some companies paid out large extraordinary dividends in order to make themselves less attractive to potential acquirers. Seth << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "John" <John[at]john.com> wrote: - quote - > I know a definitive answer is probably too much to ask for,
Cash is excluded because who actually buys cash?> but I can hope... > "Sales of all, or substantially all, assets" is a common > phrase. What assets are meant; all assets including cash > (how does one sell cash?), all assets excluding cash (why is > cash excluded?), or operating assets? What percentage of > assets is "substantially all", 51%, 99%? Or is it all vague > and designed to elicit litigation? > If someone can point to a definitive reference for this, I > will name my next child after you. Substantially all is 90%. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "John" <John[at]john.com> wrote: - quote - > I know a definitive answer is probably too much to ask for,
It seems to me that it would include everything unless it is> but I can hope... > "Sales of all, or substantially all, assets" is a common > phrase. What assets are meant; all assets including cash > (how does one sell cash?), all assets excluding cash (why is > cash excluded?), or operating assets? What percentage of > assets is "substantially all", 51%, 99%? Or is it all vague > and designed to elicit litigation? > If someone can point to a definitive reference for this, I > will name my next child after you. specifically excluded. My experience is that you get as specific as you can on contracts such as this to avoid any questions at all. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "John" <John[at]john.com> wrote: - quote - > I know a definitive answer is probably too much to ask for,
The world is not ready for another David Woods. Having said> but I can hope... > "Sales of all, or substantially all, assets" is a common > phrase. What assets are meant; all assets including cash > (how does one sell cash?), all assets excluding cash (why is > cash excluded?), or operating assets? What percentage of > assets is "substantially all", 51%, 99%? Or is it all vague > and designed to elicit litigation? > If someone can point to a definitive reference for this, I > will name my next child after you. that, there MANY SPECIFIC references in the code and regulations as to what the percentage is. -- David M. Woods, EA, ChFC, CLU Woods Financial Services Norwood, MA 02062 www.woods-financial.com << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "John" <John[at]john.com> wrote - quote - > I know a definitive answer is probably too much to ask for,
It's probably designed more on the side of avoiding> but I can hope... > "Sales of all, or substantially all, assets" is a common > phrase. What assets are meant; all assets including cash > (how does one sell cash?), all assets excluding cash (why is > cash excluded?), or operating assets? What percentage of > assets is "substantially all", 51%, 99%? Or is it all vague > and designed to elicit litigation? litigation. If I were to buy a business, and we agreed that I was buying all assets, and you walked off with the picture of your wife and kids that was on your desk, then I'd probably sue for the picture frame......as that could have been (and probably was) a company asset. It is always a prudent thing to have a written listing of the specific assets that are being bought. It should be specific enough to identify those assets included in the sale, but loose enough to allow for breakage /consumption. As in a bar or resturant where there is breakable glassware, or in the listing of office/sales supplies. - quote - > If someone can point to a definitive reference for this, I
Please don't.> will name my next child after you. -- Paul A. Thomas, CPA Athens, Georgia taxman at negia.net << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "John" <John[at]john.com> wrote: - quote - > "Sales of all, or substantially all, assets" is a common
Laws written by lawyers designed to be vague enough to put> phrase. What assets are meant; all assets including cash > (how does one sell cash?), all assets excluding cash (why is > cash excluded?), or operating assets? What percentage of > assets is "substantially all", 51%, 99%? Or is it all vague > and designed to elicit litigation? lawyers' children through school and the orthodontist? Pshaw! Some context would help. Standing alone it sounds like Unified Commercial Code terminology, possibly involving bulk sales? -- Phil Marti Clarksburg, MD << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| I know a definitive answer is probably too much to ask for, but I can hope... "Sales of all, or substantially all, assets" is a common phrase. What assets are meant; all assets including cash (how does one sell cash?), all assets excluding cash (why is cash excluded?), or operating assets? What percentage of assets is "substantially all", 51%, 99%? Or is it all vague and designed to elicit litigation? If someone can point to a definitive reference for this, I will name my next child after you. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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