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| "John" <John[at]john.com> wrote: - quote - > "Katie" <katiej_1958[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
Its in the Internal Revenue Code> > John wrote: > > > A small closely held corporation has no assets other than > > > publicly traded stocks and treasury notes. > > > > > Can it avoid paying capital gains tax on them when > > > dissolving by distributing the securites rather than selling > > > them and distributing the proceeds? > > No. The corporation must recognize gain on the distribution > > as if the securities had been sold at FMV. IRC Sec. 311(d). > > The stockholders will have ordinary income (dividend) to > > the extent of the corporation's earnings & profits, return > > of capital to the extent if their basis in the corporation's > > stock, and capital gain to the extent of any excess of the > > FMV of the distributed assets over their basis. > > > P.S. Liquidation and dissolution are not the same thing. By > > distributing the assets (either the stocks themselves or the > > proceeds from their sale by the corporation), along with any > > other net assets, the corporation would be liquidated. In > > order to dissolve, it must take the steps required under the > > laws of its state of incorporation to do so. It will then > > cease to exist as an entity. > Thanks, two follow up questions... > 1) I thought liquidation was conversion to cash. You are > saying it is actually distribution of assets; is that > correct? > If so, can you cite a reference for that definition? - quote - > 2) Do I understand you to say that the company can
That is exactly what he said.> distribute securities rather than selling them and > distributing the cash, but it must still pay the capital > gains. Is that correct? I just want to ascertain that it > can distribute securites, and doesn't have to sell them. -- David M. Woods, EA, ChFC, CLU Woods Financial Services Norwood, MA 02062 www.woods-financial.com << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| - quote - > Thoughts are free; cites cost extra.
Well, thanks for the confirmation anyhow<< -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "John" <John[at]john.com> wrote: - quote - > Thanks, two follow up questions...
Thoughts are free; cites cost extra. Liquidation is whatever> 1) I thought liquidation was conversion to cash. You are > saying it is actually distribution of assets; is that > correct? > If so, can you cite a reference for that definition? causes the corporation to no longer have assets,however that is accomplished (other than through its regular operations). - quote - > 2) Do I understand you to say that the company can
Yes. If it's a "C" corporation, the tax is at regular rates> distribute securities rather than selling them and > distributing the cash, but it must still pay the capital > gains. Is that correct? I just want to ascertain that it > can distribute securites, and doesn't have to sell them. (i.e., no special rate for capital gains). That could be as high as 35% plus state tax. -- Tom Healy, CPA Boulder, CO Web: http://www.tomhealycpa.com << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "Katie" <katiej_1958[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > John wrote:
Thanks, two follow up questions...> > A small closely held corporation has no assets other than > > publicly traded stocks and treasury notes. > > > Can it avoid paying capital gains tax on them when > > dissolving by distributing the securites rather than selling > > them and distributing the proceeds? > No. The corporation must recognize gain on the distribution > as if the securities had been sold at FMV. IRC Sec. 311(d). > The stockholders will have ordinary income (dividend) to > the extent of the corporation's earnings & profits, return > of capital to the extent if their basis in the corporation's > stock, and capital gain to the extent of any excess of the > FMV of the distributed assets over their basis. > P.S. Liquidation and dissolution are not the same thing. By > distributing the assets (either the stocks themselves or the > proceeds from their sale by the corporation), along with any > other net assets, the corporation would be liquidated. In > order to dissolve, it must take the steps required under the > laws of its state of incorporation to do so. It will then > cease to exist as an entity. 1) I thought liquidation was conversion to cash. You are saying it is actually distribution of assets; is that correct? If so, can you cite a reference for that definition? 2) Do I understand you to say that the company can distribute securities rather than selling them and distributing the cash, but it must still pay the capital gains. Is that correct? I just want to ascertain that it can distribute securites, and doesn't have to sell them. Your help is much appreciated. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "John" <John[at]john.com> wrote: - quote - > A small closely held corporation has no assets other than
No. Property passes to you at its fair market value, and the> publicly traded stocks and treasury notes. > Can it avoid paying capital gains tax on them when > dissolving by distributing the securites rather than selling > them and distributing the proceeds? corporation is liable for tax on the gain. One reason appreciating assets aren't good for corporations to own. -- Tom Healy, CPA Boulder, CO Web: http://www.tomhealycpa.com << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "John" <John[at]john.com> wrote: - quote - > A small closely held corporation has no assets other than
No.> publicly traded stocks and treasury notes. > Can it avoid paying capital gains tax on them when > dissolving by distributing the securites rather than selling > them and distributing the proceeds? -- David M. Woods, EA, ChFC, CLU Woods Financial Services Norwood, MA 02062 www.woods-financial.com << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| John wrote: - quote - > A small closely held corporation has no assets other than
No. The corporation must recognize gain on the distribution> publicly traded stocks and treasury notes. > Can it avoid paying capital gains tax on them when > dissolving by distributing the securites rather than selling > them and distributing the proceeds? as if the securities had been sold at FMV. IRC Sec. 311(d). The stockholders will have ordinary income (dividend) to the extent of the corporation's earnings & profits, return of capital to the extent if their basis in the corporation's stock, and capital gain to the extent of any excess of the FMV of the distributed assets over their basis. P.S. Liquidation and dissolution are not the same thing. By distributing the assets (either the stocks themselves or the proceeds from their sale by the corporation), along with any other net assets, the corporation would be liquidated. In order to dissolve, it must take the steps required under the laws of its state of incorporation to do so. It will then cease to exist as an entity. In some states, a corporation may be required to continue filing returns and paying a minimum tax until it is dissolved, even if it has liquidated. If the stockholders have received value from the corporation that they did not pay for (e.g., the appreciated securities or the proceeds from their sale), they may be held personally liable for such taxes as transferees of the corporation. Katie in San Diego The foregoing is intended for educational purposes only and does not constitute legal or professional advice. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| A small closely held corporation has no assets other than publicly traded stocks and treasury notes. Can it avoid paying capital gains tax on them when dissolving by distributing the securites rather than selling them and distributing the proceeds? << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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