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| As with many tax issues, the guidelines are from a patchwork of legal precedence. Generally you have to show insolvency (Liabilities > Assets) and no probable expectation of future worth. While it's not impossible, courts indicate that it's hard to prove lack of future worth without an identifying event such as bankruptcy, cessation of business or corporate charter, or selling most of the corporate assets. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "Etienne" <etiennevb[at]hotmail.com> wrote: - quote - > I was wondering when you can consider a loss resulting from
As long as the investment as any value, even $0.01, you> an investment in a private company to be realized and > therefore deductible. > Let's say I invest $50,000 in a start-up private > C-corporation, paying $5 per share. (Not being an accredited > invester, I would be able to do this if I were an officer of > that corporation, or by forming an investment partnership > with other investing employees and have the partnership > invest.) > What if a few years years later, the company is still not > profitable, and the prospects for the company still don't > look good. All invested capital is virtually gone, and the > book value per share of the corporation is less that $0.01 > per share. > Since I cannot really sell my shares and take the loss > because it is a private company, at what point can I > actually consider my loss being realized and deduct the loss > for my taxes? > Do I really need to wait until the corporation files for > bancruptcy or formally discontinues its operations? > Something to consider before investing in a private company... can't write off the investment. So there needs to be some evidence that the corporation no longer exists. For example, if the Secretary of State for the state of incorporation shows that the corporation is dissolved, that would be sufficient evidence. This could either be an active or administrative dissolution. If you have evidence to suggest that the corporation was a small business corporation when you invested, you should be able to claim Section 1244 ordinary loss (on form 4797) instead of a capital loss. That is much to be preferred. One reason for Section 1244 is to encourage people to invest in small businesses. -- Tom Healy, CPA Boulder, CO Web: http://www.tomhealycpa.com << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Etienne <etiennevb[at]hotmail.com> wrote: - quote - > I was wondering when you can consider a loss resulting from
Sure you can; just not on the usual exchanges. If you got a> an investment in a private company to be realized and > therefore deductible. > Let's say I invest $50,000 in a start-up private > C-corporation, paying $5 per share. (Not being an accredited > invester, I would be able to do this if I were an officer of > that corporation, or by forming an investment partnership > with other investing employees and have the partnership > invest.) > What if a few years years later, the company is still not > profitable, and the prospects for the company still don't > look good. All invested capital is virtually gone, and the > book value per share of the corporation is less that $0.01 > per share. > Since I cannot really sell my shares and take the loss > because it is a private company, stock certificate showing ownership, I'll pay you $1 for it (you pay postage). - quote - > at what point can I
If it informally discontinues operations (that is, just> actually consider my loss being realized and deduct the loss > for my taxes? > Do I really need to wait until the corporation files for > bancruptcy or formally discontinues its operations? stops) that should be good enough. Seth << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| I was wondering when you can consider a loss resulting from an investment in a private company to be realized and therefore deductible. Let's say I invest $50,000 in a start-up private C-corporation, paying $5 per share. (Not being an accredited invester, I would be able to do this if I were an officer of that corporation, or by forming an investment partnership with other investing employees and have the partnership invest.) What if a few years years later, the company is still not profitable, and the prospects for the company still don't look good. All invested capital is virtually gone, and the book value per share of the corporation is less that $0.01 per share. Since I cannot really sell my shares and take the loss because it is a private company, at what point can I actually consider my loss being realized and deduct the loss for my taxes? Do I really need to wait until the corporation files for bancruptcy or formally discontinues its operations? Something to consider before investing in a private company... Thanks all, Etienne << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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