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Old 05-16-2005, 05:26 AM
Seth Breidbart
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Stuart A. Bronstein <spamtrap[at]lexregia.com> wrote:

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> > > Well, next time IRS announces a new position which I don't
> > > understand, and therefore can't comment on,


> > "I can't understand this" is itself a comment.


> Ah, but is it "discussion"?


Close enough, I think; it certainly invites discussion
(well, explanation, which will garner competing explanation,
etc. is discussion).

Seth

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Old 05-15-2005, 11:28 PM
Harlan Lunsford
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MTW wrote:
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> Harlan Lunsford wrote:

> > Well, next time IRS announces a new position which I don't
> > understand, and therefore can't comment on, I will refrain
> > from asking opinions thereupon.


> Harlan, I have never suggested that people shouldn't ask
> questions (unless related to tax software support or other
> "off topic" areas). I have only suggested that people
> shouldn't post links without substantive comment.


Ah good! Here's one for you.

Non Sequitur is a comic strip in our local paper, also
syndicated in, among others, the Washington Post (I have NO
idea whether or not it is in the Noo Yawk Toms) So if your
local paper has it, take a look. I tried to view it online
but somehow comics just don't come through on this computer.

anyway, it's about a little girl (11 years old maybe) and
her horse, her constant companion. Yesterday she thought
she had found her calling in life, i.e. to become an IRS
agent.

Today's strip shows her and her horse wearing dark glasses,
sitting at a booth, waiting for people to come. Nobody in
sight. Underneath on the desk is a sign: "Tax Auditing,
25 cents", and the horse opines: "I guess the private sector
isn't the answer for everything."

(big grin!)

comments anyone? Well, I liked it.

ChEAr$,
Harlan Lunsford

Moderator:
Harlan, mon ami, you have finally gotten something from
the horse's mouth <g
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Old 05-15-2005, 11:09 PM
Stuart A. Bronstein
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"MTW" <mtwingcpa[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Stuart A. Bronstein wrote:

> I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.


I don't know that I can go along with that. ;-)

Stu

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Old 05-15-2005, 11:09 PM
Stuart A. Bronstein
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> > > Not to split hairs, but no I don't. In my view, an
> > > "invitation" to discuss is not a "discussion." And, indeed,
> > > it may simply turn out to be an invitation to a flame war. I
> > > don't think it is too much to expect people to include a
> > > SUBSTANTIVE discussion element in a message.


> > Well, next time IRS announces a new position which I don't
> > understand, and therefore can't comment on,


> "I can't understand this" is itself a comment.


Ah, but is it "discussion"?

Stu

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Old 05-13-2005, 06:37 AM
MTW
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Victor Roberts wrote:

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> I can't remember a single instance when a link to an article
> was posted in this forum as bait for a flame war.


I guess we will have to agree to disagree on what might
constitute appropriate rules and safeguards for this group.

MTW

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Old 05-13-2005, 05:59 AM
MTW
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Harlan Lunsford wrote:

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> If I see a story that I think might interest someone who
> practices in an area which I don't, I won't hesitate to
> mention it on the air.


And assuming you actually ~explain~ that in your post, I
would have no objection (unless your comment is simply
perfunctory, like "Gee, I wonder if anyone might be
interested in this?"). Again, my objection is to the posting
of links with no substantive comment or explanation
accompanying them.

In some cases, of course, it might be more appropriate to
send the link privately to the persons in question.

MTW

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Old 05-13-2005, 05:59 AM
MTW
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Harlan Lunsford wrote:

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> Well, next time IRS announces a new position which I don't
> understand, and therefore can't comment on, I will refrain
> from asking opinions thereupon.


Harlan, I have never suggested that people shouldn't ask
questions (unless related to tax software support or other
"off topic" areas). I have only suggested that people
shouldn't post links without substantive comment.

MTW

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Old 05-13-2005, 05:59 AM
MTW
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Stuart A. Bronstein wrote:

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> In real life discussions often begin with a minimalist kind
> of comment:
> "Hi."
> "Nice party."
> "Wow, this weather!"
> But those are all invitations to a discussion. If you
> ignore those in real life you'll seldom if ever get to know
> anyone you don't already know, and miss out on many
> interesting discussions that might actually allow you to
> learn something.


That sounds like great advice if you are trying to start a
dating club. <grin> But, I question whether that is an
appropriate paradigm for what is ~supposed~ to be a
professional-level discussion group.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

MTW

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Old 05-13-2005, 05:58 AM
Seth Breidbart
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> > Not to split hairs, but no I don't. In my view, an
> > "invitation" to discuss is not a "discussion." And, indeed,
> > it may simply turn out to be an invitation to a flame war. I
> > don't think it is too much to expect people to include a
> > SUBSTANTIVE discussion element in a message.


> Well, next time IRS announces a new position which I don't
> understand, and therefore can't comment on,


"I can't understand this" is itself a comment.

Seth

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Old 05-10-2005, 12:34 PM
Victor Roberts
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MTW" <mtwingcpa[at]yahoo.com> wrote:

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> > > In my book, the posting an enticing subject, with little or
> > > no content to back it up, is an element of "spam."


> > Please, let's not muddy the waters by misusing terminology.
> > Spam is a very specific thing, and this ain't it.


> I should have said "bait for a flame war" rather than "spam."


I can't remember a single instance when a link to an article
was posted in this forum as bait for a flame war.

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Moderator:
I check all links because a few years ago some slipped a
porn cite past me.

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Old 05-06-2005, 06:15 PM
Harlan Lunsford
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MTW wrote:
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> Jonathan Kamens wrote:

> > Viewed in that way, posting a link to a news story
> > is just someone saying, "Hey, I thought this was
> > interesting, you might too; if you do, let's talk about it!"


> But, would it be too much to expect the poster to briefly
> state WHY they thought the story was interesting? That's
> really all I'm asking for: a SUBSTANTIVE discussion element.


If I see a story that I think might interest someone who
practices in an area which I don't, I won't hesitate to
mention it on the air.

Maybe a story about expatriates? Perhaps Williams will be
interested, even though I'm not.

ChEAr$,
Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA

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Old 05-06-2005, 06:15 PM
Harlan Lunsford
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MTW wrote:
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> Stuart A. Bronstein wrote:

> > But the dissemination of relevant information may be
> > intended to commence discussion. You don't think that would
> > qualify?


> Not to split hairs, but no I don't. In my view, an
> "invitation" to discuss is not a "discussion." And, indeed,
> it may simply turn out to be an invitation to a flame war. I
> don't think it is too much to expect people to include a
> SUBSTANTIVE discussion element in a message.


Well, next time IRS announces a new position which I don't
understand, and therefore can't comment on, I will refrain
from asking opinions thereupon.

Of course when that happens I'll probably will have
forgotten what I just said.

ChEAr$,
Harlan Lunsford, EA in LA

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Old 05-06-2005, 05:56 PM
MTW
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> > In my book, the posting an enticing subject, with little or
> > no content to back it up, is an element of "spam."


> Please, let's not muddy the waters by misusing terminology.
> Spam is a very specific thing, and this ain't it.


I should have said "bait for a flame war" rather than "spam."

MTW

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Old 05-06-2005, 05:56 PM
Stuart A. Bronstein
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"MTW" <mtwingcpa[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Jonathan Kamens wrote:

> > Viewed in that way, posting a link to a news story
> > is just someone saying, "Hey, I thought this was
> > interesting, you might too; if you do, let's talk about it!"


> But, would it be too much to expect the poster to briefly
> state WHY they thought the story was interesting? That's
> really all I'm asking for: a SUBSTANTIVE discussion element.


In real life discussions often begin with a minimalist kind
of comment:

"Hi."
"Nice party."
"Wow, this weather!"

But those are all invitations to a discussion. If you
ignore those in real life you'll seldom if ever get to know
anyone you don't already know, and miss out on many
interesting discussions that might actually allow you to
learn something.

Stu

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Old 05-04-2005, 06:01 AM
MTW
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Jonathan Kamens wrote:

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> Viewed in that way, posting a link to a news story
> is just someone saying, "Hey, I thought this was
> interesting, you might too; if you do, let's talk about it!"


But, would it be too much to expect the poster to briefly
state WHY they thought the story was interesting? That's
really all I'm asking for: a SUBSTANTIVE discussion element.

MTW

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Old 05-04-2005, 06:01 AM
MTW
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Stuart A. Bronstein wrote:

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> But the dissemination of relevant information may be
> intended to commence discussion. You don't think that would
> qualify?


Not to split hairs, but no I don't. In my view, an
"invitation" to discuss is not a "discussion." And, indeed,
it may simply turn out to be an invitation to a flame war. I
don't think it is too much to expect people to include a
SUBSTANTIVE discussion element in a message.

MTW

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Old 05-04-2005, 05:42 AM
Frederick Jorden
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Stuart A. Bronstein wrote:
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> "MTW" <mtwingcpa[at]yahoo.com> wrote:

> > According to my dictionary, "discussion" means "...talk or
> > writing in which the pros and cons or various aspects of a
> > subject are considered." In my view, the mere posting of a
> > link fails that definition (unless the link is posted in
> > response to a bona fide question). I would differentiate
> > "discussion" from the mere dissemination of "information."
> > The former is clearly supported by the group charter; the
> > latter really isn't. This is supposed to be a DISCUSSION
> > group, not merely a "news clipping service."


> But the dissemination of relevant information may be
> intended to commence discussion. You don't think that would
> qualify?


Perhaps we all should be sent to reeducation camps if we do
not agree with him.

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7825 Midlothian Tpk - 207 Richmond, VA 23235-5247
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Old 05-03-2005, 09:01 AM
Jonathan Kamens
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> In my book, the posting an enticing subject, with little or
> no content to back it up, is an element of "spam."


Please, let's not muddy the waters by misusing terminology.
Spam is a very specific thing, and this ain't it.

Not only is calling this spam a misuse of the term, I think
it's massively unfair to the person who posted the link
which we're discussing. I mean, come on, lots of people
consider spammers to be the lowest form of live on earth
(besides tax protesters), I mean real scum, and it's just
not nice to call something someone did spamming just because
it's not the kind of posting of which you approve.

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> According to my dictionary, "discussion" means "...talk or
> writing in which the pros and cons or various aspects of a
> subject are considered."


Yes, that's true, but as Miss Manners points out, one of the
best ways to start a discussion is to refer to a current
news story (as long as it has nothing to do with religion or
politics :-) to find out if others find it as interesting as
you do. Viewed in that way, posting a link to a news story
is just someone saying, "Hey, I thought this was
interesting, you might too; if you do, let's talk about it!"

I think the people who are criticizing this practice are
being way too harsh. If you don't want to bother to follow
the link, fine, don't follow it, but there are people here
who find such pointers interesting and don't mind following
them and then discussing them.

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Old 05-03-2005, 08:42 AM
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> > > Moderator:
> > > Harlan, get another client who brings a bottle of Drambuie
> > > and send them both to me!! It's hard to find anything that
> > > tastes as good as a Rusty Nail.


> > Dick, you're going to be surprised some time when I show up
> > at your door with those two bottles and then say "let's go
> > see the O's play at Camden Yard."


> > Might even take you and the missus to Haussner's.


> > Moderator:
> > Might be better to catch a Nationals game down in DC.
> > Prices are better. If you do come, make it when the
> > Chicago Chokers aka Cubs are playing in DC. The
> > Yankees are the enemies of my blood. The Cubs are
> > the enemies of common sense.


> UH OH! NOW, you made me mad, Dick.
> The Cubbies are my favorite team.


> Moderator:
> The Choke City Nine who play at the Wrigley Graveyard have
> fans who generally work at minimum wage. Many of them
> failed to pass a forth grade reading exam. Almost all of
> them are on Zoloft. Their preferred drinks are Thunderbird,
> Ripple, TJ Swan, and Boones Farm. The Blues Brothers are
> typical Chicago Cub fans. They lack gainful employment,
> live in squallor, and have done time in jail. Their
> relationship skills are so suboptimal that women go after
> them with guns. And their survival skills are limited to
> theft, deception, and outrunning the law.
> Here is my original poem "Graffitti on the Wall"
> On the South Side of Chicago
> where the blues and country rocks
> we have the pride of the City
> we call them YOUR Chicago White Sox.
> When we win, we win with honor
> when we lose, we take it like a man
> We don't blame our defeats on curses
> and we never curse out a fan.
> Our fans don't need Zoloft
> They're all true brothers of the sod
> not like those north side whiners
> who are just children of a lesser god.


My GAWD! I wish I hadn't egged him on.

Moderator: ROTFLMAO

At LEAST now the mighty O's have an albatross
around their neck; the SO SO Sosa!

ChEAr$,
Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA

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Old 05-03-2005, 08:23 AM
Stuart A. Bronstein
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"MTW" <mtwingcpa[at]yahoo.com> wrote:

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> According to my dictionary, "discussion" means "...talk or
> writing in which the pros and cons or various aspects of a
> subject are considered." In my view, the mere posting of a
> link fails that definition (unless the link is posted in
> response to a bona fide question). I would differentiate
> "discussion" from the mere dissemination of "information."
> The former is clearly supported by the group charter; the
> latter really isn't. This is supposed to be a DISCUSSION
> group, not merely a "news clipping service."


But the dissemination of relevant information may be
intended to commence discussion. You don't think that would
qualify?

Stu

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