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| Stuart A. Bronstein <spamtrap[at]lexregia.com> wrote: - quote - > > > Well, next time IRS announces a new position which I don't
Close enough, I think; it certainly invites discussion> > > understand, and therefore can't comment on, > > "I can't understand this" is itself a comment. > Ah, but is it "discussion"? (well, explanation, which will garner competing explanation, etc. is discussion). Seth << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| MTW wrote: - quote - > Harlan Lunsford wrote:
Ah good! Here's one for you.> > Well, next time IRS announces a new position which I don't > > understand, and therefore can't comment on, I will refrain > > from asking opinions thereupon. > Harlan, I have never suggested that people shouldn't ask > questions (unless related to tax software support or other > "off topic" areas). I have only suggested that people > shouldn't post links without substantive comment. Non Sequitur is a comic strip in our local paper, also syndicated in, among others, the Washington Post (I have NO idea whether or not it is in the Noo Yawk Toms) So if your local paper has it, take a look. I tried to view it online but somehow comics just don't come through on this computer. anyway, it's about a little girl (11 years old maybe) and her horse, her constant companion. Yesterday she thought she had found her calling in life, i.e. to become an IRS agent. Today's strip shows her and her horse wearing dark glasses, sitting at a booth, waiting for people to come. Nobody in sight. Underneath on the desk is a sign: "Tax Auditing, 25 cents", and the horse opines: "I guess the private sector isn't the answer for everything." (big grin!) comments anyone? Well, I liked it. ChEAr$, Harlan Lunsford Moderator: Harlan, mon ami, you have finally gotten something from the horse's mouth <g << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "MTW" <mtwingcpa[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > Stuart A. Bronstein wrote:
I don't know that I can go along with that. ;-)> I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Stu << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| - quote - > > > Not to split hairs, but no I don't. In my view, an
Ah, but is it "discussion"?> > > "invitation" to discuss is not a "discussion." And, indeed, > > > it may simply turn out to be an invitation to a flame war. I > > > don't think it is too much to expect people to include a > > > SUBSTANTIVE discussion element in a message. > > Well, next time IRS announces a new position which I don't > > understand, and therefore can't comment on, > "I can't understand this" is itself a comment. Stu << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Victor Roberts wrote: - quote - > I can't remember a single instance when a link to an article
I guess we will have to agree to disagree on what might> was posted in this forum as bait for a flame war. constitute appropriate rules and safeguards for this group. MTW << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Harlan Lunsford wrote: - quote - > If I see a story that I think might interest someone who
And assuming you actually ~explain~ that in your post, I> practices in an area which I don't, I won't hesitate to > mention it on the air. would have no objection (unless your comment is simply perfunctory, like "Gee, I wonder if anyone might be interested in this?"). Again, my objection is to the posting of links with no substantive comment or explanation accompanying them. In some cases, of course, it might be more appropriate to send the link privately to the persons in question. MTW << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Harlan Lunsford wrote: - quote - > Well, next time IRS announces a new position which I don't
Harlan, I have never suggested that people shouldn't ask> understand, and therefore can't comment on, I will refrain > from asking opinions thereupon. questions (unless related to tax software support or other "off topic" areas). I have only suggested that people shouldn't post links without substantive comment. MTW << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Stuart A. Bronstein wrote: - quote - > In real life discussions often begin with a minimalist kind
That sounds like great advice if you are trying to start a> of comment: > "Hi." > "Nice party." > "Wow, this weather!" > But those are all invitations to a discussion. If you > ignore those in real life you'll seldom if ever get to know > anyone you don't already know, and miss out on many > interesting discussions that might actually allow you to > learn something. dating club. <grin> But, I question whether that is an appropriate paradigm for what is ~supposed~ to be a professional-level discussion group. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. MTW << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| - quote - > > Not to split hairs, but no I don't. In my view, an
"I can't understand this" is itself a comment.> > "invitation" to discuss is not a "discussion." And, indeed, > > it may simply turn out to be an invitation to a flame war. I > > don't think it is too much to expect people to include a > > SUBSTANTIVE discussion element in a message. > Well, next time IRS announces a new position which I don't > understand, and therefore can't comment on, Seth << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| MTW" <mtwingcpa[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > > > In my book, the posting an enticing subject, with little or
I can't remember a single instance when a link to an article> > > no content to back it up, is an element of "spam." > > Please, let's not muddy the waters by misusing terminology. > > Spam is a very specific thing, and this ain't it. > I should have said "bait for a flame war" rather than "spam." was posted in this forum as bait for a flame war. -- Vic Roberts Replace xxx with vdr in e-mail address. Moderator: I check all links because a few years ago some slipped a porn cite past me. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| MTW wrote: - quote - > Jonathan Kamens wrote:
If I see a story that I think might interest someone who> > Viewed in that way, posting a link to a news story > > is just someone saying, "Hey, I thought this was > > interesting, you might too; if you do, let's talk about it!" > But, would it be too much to expect the poster to briefly > state WHY they thought the story was interesting? That's > really all I'm asking for: a SUBSTANTIVE discussion element. practices in an area which I don't, I won't hesitate to mention it on the air. Maybe a story about expatriates? Perhaps Williams will be interested, even though I'm not. ChEAr$, Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| MTW wrote: - quote - > Stuart A. Bronstein wrote:
Well, next time IRS announces a new position which I don't> > But the dissemination of relevant information may be > > intended to commence discussion. You don't think that would > > qualify? > Not to split hairs, but no I don't. In my view, an > "invitation" to discuss is not a "discussion." And, indeed, > it may simply turn out to be an invitation to a flame war. I > don't think it is too much to expect people to include a > SUBSTANTIVE discussion element in a message. understand, and therefore can't comment on, I will refrain from asking opinions thereupon. Of course when that happens I'll probably will have forgotten what I just said. ChEAr$, Harlan Lunsford, EA in LA << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| - quote - > > In my book, the posting an enticing subject, with little or
I should have said "bait for a flame war" rather than "spam."> > no content to back it up, is an element of "spam." > Please, let's not muddy the waters by misusing terminology. > Spam is a very specific thing, and this ain't it. MTW << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "MTW" <mtwingcpa[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > Jonathan Kamens wrote:
In real life discussions often begin with a minimalist kind> > Viewed in that way, posting a link to a news story > > is just someone saying, "Hey, I thought this was > > interesting, you might too; if you do, let's talk about it!" > But, would it be too much to expect the poster to briefly > state WHY they thought the story was interesting? That's > really all I'm asking for: a SUBSTANTIVE discussion element. of comment: "Hi." "Nice party." "Wow, this weather!" But those are all invitations to a discussion. If you ignore those in real life you'll seldom if ever get to know anyone you don't already know, and miss out on many interesting discussions that might actually allow you to learn something. Stu << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Jonathan Kamens wrote: - quote - > Viewed in that way, posting a link to a news story
But, would it be too much to expect the poster to briefly> is just someone saying, "Hey, I thought this was > interesting, you might too; if you do, let's talk about it!" state WHY they thought the story was interesting? That's really all I'm asking for: a SUBSTANTIVE discussion element. MTW << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Stuart A. Bronstein wrote: - quote - > But the dissemination of relevant information may be
Not to split hairs, but no I don't. In my view, an> intended to commence discussion. You don't think that would > qualify? "invitation" to discuss is not a "discussion." And, indeed, it may simply turn out to be an invitation to a flame war. I don't think it is too much to expect people to include a SUBSTANTIVE discussion element in a message. MTW << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Stuart A. Bronstein wrote: - quote - > "MTW" <mtwingcpa[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
Perhaps we all should be sent to reeducation camps if we do> > According to my dictionary, "discussion" means "...talk or > > writing in which the pros and cons or various aspects of a > > subject are considered." In my view, the mere posting of a > > link fails that definition (unless the link is posted in > > response to a bona fide question). I would differentiate > > "discussion" from the mere dissemination of "information." > > The former is clearly supported by the group charter; the > > latter really isn't. This is supposed to be a DISCUSSION > > group, not merely a "news clipping service." > But the dissemination of relevant information may be > intended to commence discussion. You don't think that would > qualify? not agree with him. -- Frederick E. Jorden http://Tax-Accounting-Payroll.com 7825 Midlothian Tpk - 207 Richmond, VA 23235-5247 EMAIL knowtax[at]bigfoot.com (804) 320-6210 FAX (804) 320-6211 << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| - quote - > In my book, the posting an enticing subject, with little or
Please, let's not muddy the waters by misusing terminology.> no content to back it up, is an element of "spam." Spam is a very specific thing, and this ain't it. Not only is calling this spam a misuse of the term, I think it's massively unfair to the person who posted the link which we're discussing. I mean, come on, lots of people consider spammers to be the lowest form of live on earth (besides tax protesters), I mean real scum, and it's just not nice to call something someone did spamming just because it's not the kind of posting of which you approve. - quote - > According to my dictionary, "discussion" means "...talk or
Yes, that's true, but as Miss Manners points out, one of the> writing in which the pros and cons or various aspects of a > subject are considered." best ways to start a discussion is to refer to a current news story (as long as it has nothing to do with religion or politics :-) to find out if others find it as interesting as you do. Viewed in that way, posting a link to a news story is just someone saying, "Hey, I thought this was interesting, you might too; if you do, let's talk about it!" I think the people who are criticizing this practice are being way too harsh. If you don't want to bother to follow the link, fine, don't follow it, but there are people here who find such pointers interesting and don't mind following them and then discussing them. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| - quote - > > > Moderator:
My GAWD! I wish I hadn't egged him on.> > > Harlan, get another client who brings a bottle of Drambuie > > > and send them both to me!! It's hard to find anything that > > > tastes as good as a Rusty Nail. > > Dick, you're going to be surprised some time when I show up > > at your door with those two bottles and then say "let's go > > see the O's play at Camden Yard." > > Might even take you and the missus to Haussner's. > > Moderator: > > Might be better to catch a Nationals game down in DC. > > Prices are better. If you do come, make it when the > > Chicago Chokers aka Cubs are playing in DC. The > > Yankees are the enemies of my blood. The Cubs are > > the enemies of common sense. > UH OH! NOW, you made me mad, Dick. > The Cubbies are my favorite team. > Moderator: > The Choke City Nine who play at the Wrigley Graveyard have > fans who generally work at minimum wage. Many of them > failed to pass a forth grade reading exam. Almost all of > them are on Zoloft. Their preferred drinks are Thunderbird, > Ripple, TJ Swan, and Boones Farm. The Blues Brothers are > typical Chicago Cub fans. They lack gainful employment, > live in squallor, and have done time in jail. Their > relationship skills are so suboptimal that women go after > them with guns. And their survival skills are limited to > theft, deception, and outrunning the law. > Here is my original poem "Graffitti on the Wall" > On the South Side of Chicago > where the blues and country rocks > we have the pride of the City > we call them YOUR Chicago White Sox. > When we win, we win with honor > when we lose, we take it like a man > We don't blame our defeats on curses > and we never curse out a fan. > Our fans don't need Zoloft > They're all true brothers of the sod > not like those north side whiners > who are just children of a lesser god. Moderator: ROTFLMAO At LEAST now the mighty O's have an albatross around their neck; the SO SO Sosa! ChEAr$, Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "MTW" <mtwingcpa[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > According to my dictionary, "discussion" means "...talk or
But the dissemination of relevant information may be> writing in which the pros and cons or various aspects of a > subject are considered." In my view, the mere posting of a > link fails that definition (unless the link is posted in > response to a bona fide question). I would differentiate > "discussion" from the mere dissemination of "information." > The former is clearly supported by the group charter; the > latter really isn't. This is supposed to be a DISCUSSION > group, not merely a "news clipping service." intended to commence discussion. You don't think that would qualify? Stu << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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