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Thank you, Harlan. And now -- as Paul Harvey would say --> > If that were the case, the eventual sale could > > be a simple return of principal for the > > granddaughter. > Exactly. > that was easy. > Might need to reconstruct each year's > accretion in order to obtain true value as of the > previous 12/31, so that any added amount > would be properly reported on schedule b for > the year of sale. for "the rest of the story": You'll not be terribly surprised to learn _I am the grandfather in question. My granddaughter phoned from her tax preparer's office (somewhere in the vast midwest) on April 14th, at about 8PM -- my time. The preparer was inclined to treat the 1099-B as a Capital Gain, with no cost basis. Of course, in this instance, the granddad-- was faced with an extra tax bill of about $1,000. I rode to the rescue by talking with the preparer, and -- citing my 14 years with TaxAide -- encouraged her to treat the "Proceeds" as a return of principal, after reviewing the facts much as I did above. She seemed agreeable (and I can only suppose she did so, since g/d did not call again with lamentations) ... but I was seeking confirmation that my reasoning was basically sound. Thank you for your "all's well" reassurance. Bill << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| an_ordinary_guy_158[at]hotmail.com (Bill) wrote: - quote - > Just a request to please help on this particular problem. I
If you are asking to whom UGMA income is attributed, it> know, it hurt my alleged brain too, trying to work it out -- > especially for the year 2004, when there would be a > combination of "return" and "proceeds." attributed to the minor. Stu << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Bill wrote: - quote - > I would appreciate your take on this situation:
Exactly.> T/P gave granddaughter a zero-coupon bond which would be > worth $10000 at maturity. Gift was purchased 11/30/1988 at > a cost of $2271, through a broker. The bond was a FICO (for > those who don't recall, this was an instrumentality of the > US Gov, created in order to fund the bailout of the S&L > industry) ... and the YTM reported on the trade confirmation > was 9.5%. > The bond was, of course, purchased in the name of the > granddaughter, using her SSN, but naming her father as TTEE. > Broker reported OID-interest value each year on 1099, which > was sent to father as TTEE. Father dutifully submitted the > 1099s to paid preparer, but can't remember whether the > amounts were reported on parent's return -- or if preparer > dismissed them as "non-taxable, because minor child's total > income was -0- earned and only a couple of hundred dollars" > (rising annually, but never breaching the former minimum of > $650 or the current minimum of $800). > Parents split in 1998, and daughter-in-law took > granddaughter. Father forwarded all 1099s for the > zero-coupon bonds, as they arrived annually from broker. > As bond approached maturity in late 2005, granddaughter > (then an adult 19+) decided in mid-2004 that funds would be > useful, and requested father (TTEE) sell bond holding -- > which was done. > Meanwhile, two broker changes had taken place. Successor > broker, with a record of only 4 or 5 years during which > 1099s were issued for OID-interest attributed, simply > reported the proceeds to granddaughter on a 1099B with no > info on cost basis. > Question: How should this be reported on granddaughter's > return? Since annual interest was regularly reported in > granddaughter's name and SSN, wouldn't those values thus > have become additions to the cost basis? If that were the > case, the eventual sale could be a simple return of > principal for the granddaughter. that was easy. Might need to reconstruct each year's accretion in order to obtain true value as of the previous 12/31, so that any added amount would be properly reported on schedule b for the year of sale. ChEAr$, Harlan Lunsford << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Just a request to please help on this particular problem. I know, it hurt my alleged brain too, trying to work it out -- especially for the year 2004, when there would be a combination of "return" and "proceeds." But I hope some kind soul will have the knowledge and take the time to respond, now that tax season is over and you've had a couple of days to recover. Bill << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| I would appreciate your take on this situation: T/P gave granddaughter a zero-coupon bond which would be worth $10000 at maturity. Gift was purchased 11/30/1988 at a cost of $2271, through a broker. The bond was a FICO (for those who don't recall, this was an instrumentality of the US Gov, created in order to fund the bailout of the S&L industry) ... and the YTM reported on the trade confirmation was 9.5%. The bond was, of course, purchased in the name of the granddaughter, using her SSN, but naming her father as TTEE. Broker reported OID-interest value each year on 1099, which was sent to father as TTEE. Father dutifully submitted the 1099s to paid preparer, but can't remember whether the amounts were reported on parent's return -- or if preparer dismissed them as "non-taxable, because minor child's total income was -0- earned and only a couple of hundred dollars" (rising annually, but never breaching the former minimum of $650 or the current minimum of $800). Parents split in 1998, and daughter-in-law took granddaughter. Father forwarded all 1099s for the zero-coupon bonds, as they arrived annually from broker. As bond approached maturity in late 2005, granddaughter (then an adult 19+) decided in mid-2004 that funds would be useful, and requested father (TTEE) sell bond holding -- which was done. Meanwhile, two broker changes had taken place. Successor broker, with a record of only 4 or 5 years during which 1099s were issued for OID-interest attributed, simply reported the proceeds to granddaughter on a 1099B with no info on cost basis. Question: How should this be reported on granddaughter's return? Since annual interest was regularly reported in granddaughter's name and SSN, wouldn't those values thus have become additions to the cost basis? If that were the case, the eventual sale could be a simple return of principal for the granddaughter. She has earned income for 2004 of less than $10,000 -- and the UGMA bond "redemption" is her only unearned income for the year. Bill << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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